[ExI] gaming the system

Sat Apr 30 16:55:50 UTC 2022

Aesthetics:  I have read quite a bit of it, trying to understand, and the
philosophers have failed to make sense to me.  For one thing, few if any
art people would acknowledge that there are rules to what they are doing,
and if there are rules, they will be happy to break them and flaunt them,
or create new rules.  Think of how some of us don't want to think of rap as
music.  Oh it's music, all right, just as highly inferior cartoons are
visual art.  How can one be creative while doing the same old things?
Well, Michelangelo did it, Leonardo did it, Debussy did it (though he
stretched music perhaps more than anyone else close to that time).  Lots of
people did it but their stuff didn't catch on.  (someone will dig it up
later and claim that it's genius work and some will buy into that - think
of Grandma Moses, or are you too young?).

Bottom line:  great art is when I like it.  Poor art is when I don't like
it.  But it is not, I think, a coincidence that what I think of as great is
acknowledged as great by authorities.  .  Other things thought of as great
by authorities, such as SChoenberg, I think of as maybe a good idea but
poor execution (i.e. I don't like it).  It's all opinion and no truth to be
found.  bill w

On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:13 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> > *On Behalf Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
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> >…You mean there's modern poetry with rhyme and rhythm?  I quit
> taking the New Yorker and ATlantic Monthly partly because of the horrible
> poetry they publish - no rhymes, no meter, obscure in the meaning
> department.  Of course you have 'lower level' stuff, like Breathe that I
> circulated, that the magazines would never print - literary profs would
> burn the issue in public as a protest against sensible poetry.  bill w
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> Billw, it is far too cynical a view you present sir.  Sure, the rules of
> poetry have relaxed quite a bit from the days when Shakespeare was shaking
> the sonnets.  This allows anything, aaaaaanything… to be consider poetry.
> All it takes is for the appropriate use of the return key and insertion of
> random punctuation.  For instance, let’s take the following poem, written
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> You mean there's modern poetry with rhyme and rhythm?
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> Ah such subtle poetry!  It inspires me to try.  Here goes:
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> Who used dynamite instead of a phallus
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> They found her vagina
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> Now before you object… who here has actually met “Bill” Wallace?  In
> person?  How do we reeeeally know he or she doesn’t have the items found
> scattered about the countryside?  Anyone?  That’s sensible poetry!
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> My friends, the internet does crap like this to our brains.  It’s an
> addiction, I tells ya, an ADDICTION!  Hey cool.
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> Regarding Musk’s notion of making the Twitter content filters public led
> to the observation that this could make it easier to game the system.
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> That rattled around in my brain like a golf ball in a 55 gallon drum.  I
> came up with an idea (as is my wont (or one of my many wonts (such as
> wanting excuses to use the term wont (they call me the wont-monster.))))
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> An earlier observation was the comedy gold provided by the Babylon Bee,
> which made a skit of an overly sensitive Twitter employee freaking about
> Musk buying Twitter.  Then Twitter played along with the gag by slapping a
> sensitive content label on a tweet about sensitive Twitter employees
> (referring to her (and comically self-referencing the Twitter employee who
> chose the label.))  But it isn’t entirely clear the label was Twitter
> playing along with the gag.  It might be that software did that, and that
> their software is flawed.  I chose the more charitable interpretation
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> Regarding Musk’s notion of making that software public (not defeating it,
> just making it public domain): that would allow users to download the
> filter, run a test case on an edgy post, shape it, edit it, rework it until
> it gets by without a warning.  So this would be a form of gaming the
> system, and could spawn an entirely new genre in a sense: how to creatively
> word a message in such a way as to communicate an idea around
> restrictions.  Gaming Twitter then becomes analogous to poetry in a way,
> where you say things with a rhyme and a rhythm, to communicate ideas in a
> framework of sorts.  Going around Twitter filters becomes modern poetry.
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