[ExI] commies vs marxists was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review

[Will Steinberg]

Again, communism doesn't require a government (anarcho-communism) and the
governments you call communist are actually authoritarian capitalist
(Russia, China).  Idk why you are ignoring this point, it reminds me of the
way John argues.

You don't believe calling yourself a woman makes you a woman so why would
you believe that China calling itself communist makes it communist?
Everyone can see that it is not remotely communist anymore.

Honestly I'm starting to think that it could ONLY work in an anarchist
system.  The government is just the biggest corporation in a state and any
co-ownership they have of the means of production is effectively taking it
away from the workers.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 10:00 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> >…I get my garden seeds from Johnny's Selected Seeds, a company
> started 40 years ago by a R. Johnston.  When he retired it became employee
> owned.  It is still a fine business. I think it would be instructive to
> check out employee-owned companies and see how they compare in wages etc.
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> That explains why we are seeing such a bitter dispute over Twitter, for
> the outcome of that culture war determines who owns the press and by
> extension who owns the government.  May the good guys win.
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