[ExI] commies vs marxists was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review

[Adrian Tymes]

The problem, as I understand it, is that the word "woman" has also been
conflated into a bunch of social and cultural roles and expectations, which
trans women wish to fill; likewise for "man" and trans men.  Those who
medically transition perceive these roles - at least, certain ones they
identify with - as bound to their physical shape, thus their desire to
change their shape to match their self-image.  Whether or not their
perception is correct is technically irrelevant, though they did not come
to their conclusions without some evidence.

See for instance the continued debate about whether to include women in the
draft, and the until-a-few-years-ago ban on women in certain combat
operations jobs, for two examples from the US military.  There are plenty
of other examples of either outright prohibitions or substantial favoritism
against women or men; for instance, men have a harder time being a cute
waitress.  (Yes, there are some people for whom being able to serve in a
position like that is an important part of their self identity.  You are
not them; they decide for themselves and their own bodies, based on their
knowledge and values.)

It's about what they think a woman is and a man is.  It's never just about
the presence or absence of breasts and a vagina.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 11:05 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Whatever a woman is or what people want to call themselves, it is simply
> impossible to become what we have used the word woman to describe--XX,
> womb, ovaries, body and mind long-term feminized by hormones from birth,
> menstruation, birth--unless you start out that way.  It would do everyone
> good to accept this.  Maybe we will have brain swaps in the future or be
> able to change all our chromosomes but we don't now and that cognitive
> dissonance is causing a lot of pointless strife and annoyance, imo.  People
> are all crazy about words and pronouns when the physical facts are hyper
> apparent.  I think this forced skewing of language is a dangerous, fascist
> thing.   I hope people come around to that.
>
> China will have a revolution 100%.  My guess had always been a botched or
> expensive Taiwan invasion and war of attrition leads to revolts on the
> periphery (west, north, south) which the army is stretched to thin to put
> down.  It's coming sooner rather than later, imo
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 1:08 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> *…*> *On Behalf Of *Will Steinberg via extropy-chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] commies vs marxists was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE:
>> book review
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>> >…Again, communism doesn't require a government (anarcho-communism) and
>> the governments you call communist are actually authoritarian capitalist
>> (Russia, China).  Idk why you are ignoring this point, it reminds me of the
>> way John argues…
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>> Ja, this is a variant on the “true communism has never been tried”
>> theme.  Well OK, in my mind true communism always results in authoritarian
>> capitalism, whether or not that was the intent.  I can further speculate
>> that outside of families, true communism will never be tried.
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>> >…You don't believe calling yourself a woman makes you a woman…
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>> Ja, I would never believe myself if I even tried that.  I could never
>> pull it over on me.  I could never even keep a straight face telling it to
>> myself in the mirror.  I would bust out laughing and tell me: spike, look
>> down there, you silly ass!  And that sorta thing.  Will, if others can make
>> that happen for them, well OK then, it’s their call, but my brain just
>> doesn’t work that way, never has.
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>> >…so why would you believe that China calling itself communist makes it
>> communist?  Everyone can see that it is not remotely communist anymore…
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>> I see hope for China.  The 1.4 billion little commies are getting more
>> and more pissed at the big commie up top, with the riots and such.  It will
>> be extremely interesting if they continue to grow in outrage and power, to
>> continue to use their idealized view of the USA as an example of what they
>> want to be, then eventually just go ahead and storm the presidential palace
>> at enormous loss of life, slay the big commie up top, adopt something
>> analogous to the US constitution along with rigorous first, second and
>> fifth amendment rights.
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>> I don’t seriously predict it will turn out that way, but I hope does.
>> Estimate 20% chance.  I am cheering wildly for the 1.4 billion little
>> commies yearning to be anarcho capitalist.  I think they would be good at
>> it: China could become a most formidable trade competitor.
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>> spike
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