[ExI] People often think their chatbot is alive

[Brent Allsop]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 11:42 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 6:39 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 5:29 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect this is the example your illustration is trying to posit.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.  I completely agree.  All three of the systems can tell you the
>> strawberry is "red".  That is what you are talking about.
>> I'm talking about something different.  I want to know the intrinsic
>> qualities of things in nature, not just the coolness qualities things seem
>> to have.  I want to know the specific intrinsic qualities of your
>> knowledge of red things, and how they are, or aren't different from mine.
>> You don't seem to care about knowing the intrinsic colorness qualities in
>> nature.  I'd like to better understand physical reality and what it is
>> like, and how computation directly on those intrinsic qualities is
>> different from abstract computation.  You seem to not care about this.
>>
>
> This seems to be mostly correct.
>

So, have we accomplished something meaningful with this great
conversation?  Have I peaked your interest, at least a bit, to want to know
which of all our descriptions of stuff in the brain is a description of
redness?  If so, are you willing to sign the petition camp (Or one of its
sub camps like mind brain identity
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/17-Mind-Brain-Identity>
[want
to point out out the competing substance dualism
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/48-Substance-Dualism>
isn't a good camp]), with the goal of communicating to everyone that we
don't yet know the colorness qualities of anything, even if you think
petitions aren't worth anything?  And that consciousness is not a "hard
problem" but just a colorness problem.

I think we have accomplished something great with this conversation, and
I'd like to track this progress towards an understanding of how everyone
currently thinks about consciousness.  But I need at least a bit of help
from others, willing to make a bit of an effort to communicate the results
of conversations like this, so that others can benefit from all of our hard
work.
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