[ExI] Ukrainian astronomers systematically studying UFOs over warzone

[Henry Rivera]

I’ve been researching this my whole life and have arrived at the following perspective. I’m convinced such entities are not always or not fully in our phase of matter/reality. Accounts are that they are more like energy or light much of the time. They’d also be able to travel nonlinearly to not be limited by light speed travel. They communicate with humans who are open to this. See the CE5 protocols, CSETI, and the film Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind on YouTube. This is the opposite of them sending drones or lifeless machines. They appear to be concerned about and or prepared to intervene re. our potential risk self-destruction. Even their revealing themselves can be construed as such an intervention. If they haven’t harmed us yet, they are not malevolent I’d suggest. They perhaps are trying to protect us from malevolent humans intent on greedily accumulating more power and resources, or they are helping us jumpstart a change in consciousness, move us towards peace, unity, compassion. There are also human-led black ops programs that have usurped aliens tech and exploit this to breed fear in the public or to further their mammalian territoriality tendencies and or their geopolitical agendas. As such, some “alien abductions” are not conducted by aliens at all. The Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind film is the best summary to date of these ideas and seems to promote the most plausible explanation to fit with the existing data IMO. 
-Henry

> On Sep 17, 2022, at 9:34 AM, Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> Quoting BillK:
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>>> On Thu, 15 Sept 2022 at 14:00, Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat
>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> Astronomers from the Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences in Kyiv
>>> have been tracking and studying a large number of UAPs that have been
>>> flying over the warzone. By using simultaneous observations from two
>>> tracking stations spaced 120 km apart, they were able to triangulate
>>> their altitude, speed, size, and optical characteristics. They ranged
>>> from being 10-15 km in altitude to 1170 km in altitude, travelling at
>>> speeds of up to 15 km per second, and ranged from 3 to 12 meters
>>> across in size. The scientists have classified the UFOs as either
>>> "cosmics" or "phantoms" based on whether they emit or absorb light.
>>> 
>>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.11215.pdf
>>> 
>>> https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/ukrainian-astronomers-claim-ufos-everywhere-over-kyiv/?utm_source=like2buy.curalate.com&crl8_id=66ab5525-26eb-493c-9724-70537d09c17d
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>>> 
>>> This is the crunchiest data on UFOs I have seen to date, and I am
>>> interested to hear what you guys have to say about this.
>>> 
>>> Stuart LaForge
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>> They are academics from the future studying 'How World War III started'.
>> Obviously they have to follow non-intervention restrictions as that
>> would affect their future world.
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>> 
>> BillK
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> While the time-traveling future-historian hypothesis does seem to explain UAP's reticence to publically announce their presence or engage with people, it is just as unlikely as superluminal interstellar travel for all the same reasons. Einstein's theories of relativity indicate that both time-travel and superluminal speeds introduce causal paradoxes that seem to render them impossible. Then again, one could surmise that such paradoxes themselves are invoking some form cosmic censorship which is preventing UFOs from being clearly and directly observed or interacting with air or water without causing sonic booms and wakes.
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> However as claimed by the UK's Astronomer Royal Lord-Professor Martin Rees, aliens are likely machine intelligences as humans seem destined to become. Long-lived machines would probably not be inconvenienced by hundreds or thousands of years of transit time between stars. This would obviate the need for superluminal travel and avoid causal paradoxes. It would also explain how UAPs can perform maneuvers at hundreds or thousands of gees without killing their occupants.
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> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bad-luck-et-youve-been-replaced-robot-astronomer-royal-60mqsffjd
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> Another possibility is that UFOs are, as you say, academics but coming from some manner of secret base located right here in the solar system, like a blind used by wild-life photographers here on Earth. That they are scientists or academics would also explain their reticence to interact directly with humans. After all, David Attenborough would never directly intervene in chimpanzee politics by wrestling the alpha male, for example.
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> Perhaps they are coming from a blind spot, like the Earth-Sun L3 Lagrange point. Have we ever sent to probe to see what, if anything, might be there?
> 
> Stuart LaForge
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