[ExI] Symbol Grounding

[Brent Allsop]

Hi Jason,
Why do you think a ChatBot can emagine [image: red_border.png], when a
congenitally blind person can't?
How is it that a bunch of abstract words, like 'red', floating around
inside a chatbot's brain can end up with  [image: red_border.png] (unless
magic happens here) .

Go ahead.  Communicate this same information transfer this email achieves,
using only text.








On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 10:58 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, 12:44 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 4:18 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Just some food for thought. I don't argue that it does or doesn't have
>>> this capacity, only that it isn't definitive to me either way.
>>>
>>
>> How is the difference between [image: red_border.png] and "*RED*" not
>> absolutely definitive?
>>
>
> I can tell a person to "imagine a bright red firetruck." And despite no
> visual stimulus they could see �� in their mind.
>
> If a person can do it, then perhaps an AI can as well. We know it can
> imagine and draw objects from textual descriptions as a Giovanni showed.
> It's not definitive (in my opinion) that it cannot imagine colors as well.
> Early models could imagine shapes and three dimensional scenes despite
> never being trained on images, so it's not absurd to think it has other
> imaginative capabilities.
>
> Jason
>
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