[ExI] Symbol Grounding

Giovanni Santostasi gsantostasi at gmail.com
Mon Apr 24 21:41:50 UTC 2023

New paper showing that LLM can retain memory up to 1 M tokens.
Basically, you could ask these LLMs to write an entire book for you.


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 2:28 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 4:25 PM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJBfn07gZ30
>> Brent,
>> I thought this video would end this discussion about redness quality
>> stuff forever but it seems to have done almost zero impact. Any scientific
>> mind would see this video and realize that "redness" is an illusion as I
>> said before. In which sense is an illusion? It is not "something" like you
>> say it is, it is not made of a single or simple substance in the brain or a
>> simple process it is a complex series of events in the brain, it is a
>> delicate process that can be hijacked by illusions as the one described in
>> the video. This indicates the information that we interpret as redness goes
>> through many stages, it requires different parts of the brain and it is not
>> as solid as Brent thinks. It is not something one can "poke" as your
>> elementary school students proposed or pinpoint. It can be still studied
>> and understood scientifically but the functionalist intuition on this
>> phenomenon is supported by the evidence shown in the video.
>> The video is basically fatal to your naive understanding of redness.
>> Giovanni
> Indeed there's an even easier proof that colors have no physical
> correspondence: the color magenta.
> There is no frequency of light that corresponds to this color. You won't
> find it on the spectrum of colors we can see. There is no laser pointer
> that could emit magenta light (as all lasers are of a single pure
> frequency). It is entirely an invention of the brain where it artificially
> wraps the blue end of the spectrum around in a circle to meet the red end
> of the spectrum, and puts magenta between these two.
> Though I imagine Brent would say it involves some mixture of glutamate and
> some other molecule being combined in some ratio in some part of the brain.
> But this is enough to show higher order organizations are necessary, and
> low level molecules aren't enough to explain perception (organization is
> fundamentally important, as functionalists have been trying to point out).
> Jason
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