[ExI] Symbol Grounding

[Giovanni Santostasi]

By the way GPT-4 seems good with time series too, at least simple ones. It
was able to understand that I was giving it a sequence of 20 numbers that
were squared, cubed, log and so on. Really amazing.

On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:54 AM Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
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> *> All spike trails or trains, or whatever, begin and end with>
> neurotransmitters being dumped into a synapse, right?  Seems to me> that
> someone who predicts someone's [experience of red] is more likely> to be
> spike trains, than [...] a chemical in a synapse, like Giovani,> has no
> ability to understand or model [experiences].  How the heck> could a train
> of spikes produce a redness experience?*
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> So it is the neurotransmitter that causes the experience? What is the
> function of the neurotransmitter? It is absorbed by the dendritic synapses
> and it is converted back to a spike train. I already explained this. It is
> like the sound in the air when somebody talks to you. Your ear responds to
> the presence of vibrating air but this vibration is converted into spike
> trains! The air is just a medium to communicate information. It is not what
> matters. How does the presence of neurotransmitter helps us better
> understand redness? You never tried to explain this. Because to you they
> sound more "material" than spike trains?
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> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 1:37 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On 29/04/2023 07:49, Brent Allsop wrote:
>> > All spike trails or trains, or whatever, begin and end with
>> > neurotransmitters being dumped into a synapse, right?  Seems to me
>> > that someone who predicts someone's [experience of red] is more likely
>> > to be spike trains, than [...] a chemical in a synapse, like Giovani,
>> > has no ability to understand or model [experiences].  How the heck
>> > could a train of spikes produce a redness experience?
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>> How the heck could a pixel on a screen produce a picture of a field of
>> flowers?
>> How the heck could a digital number produce a word processor document?
>> How the heck could a single note on an oboe produce a symphony?
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>> If i wanted to show that pixels can't give rise to pictures, numbers
>> can't give rise to novels, or single notes can't give rise to
>> symphonies, these are the kind of questions I'd ask, in order to direct
>> the reader's attention to the wrong thing.
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>> This also applies to molecules of neurotransmitter in a synapse
>> producing an experience.
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>> A brick doesn't produce a housing estate, a xylem cell doesn't produce a
>> tree, am I getting my point across yet?
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>> You have a warehouse full of steel girders and you want to build the
>> eiffel tower. What's the missing essential ingredient? (no, it's not
>> rivets).
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>> Ben
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