[ExI] vaccines again

[Will Steinberg]

Also, natural immunity is better than immunity to a single highly mutable
spike protein.  So the overall risk to each person is highly
interdependent.  It seems complicated.

Btw I am 30, not overweight but way less active and correctly dieting than
I should be; unvaxxed, got covid recently and it sucked (especially the
first day) but it wasn't so bad in the end, and was way less bad than when
I got a heavy case of strep.  Max was 103 fever, no real respiratory
symptoms, no apparent long covid as of right now.

Btw spike as someone who seems to be aware of propaganda and cults of
personality, I'm a bit surprised at how hard you gobble Elon's cock.  It's
one flawed man in control of the platform.  He talks about free speech but
makes tons of decisions against it. His unvetted polls are laughable and
meaningless.   Buying it was a huge loss for him and a definite show of a
lack of expertise and the fact that insecurity and the need to prove his
intelligence and coolness led him to a terrible decision for both his
finances and seemingly his mental well-being being.

He's better than someone like Jeff Bezos, I guess...honestly I'm not sure.
Bezos seems more straightforward with his Machiavellian nature.  Elon wants
to  be the cool guy and he's just not.  The Chapelle thing was sad.  It's
not 4D chess, it's a series of actual failures.

I appreciate space travel stuff, and Starlink is great.  His cars are ok
but high speed trains would be a lot better.  Tunnel company is vaporware.

Overall rank, B minus maybe?  Not worthy of the blind adulation I think,
and I really mean blind, because I think you have to either subconsciously
or willingly ignore his vast flaws to talk about him the way you do.  It's
very biased, and bias is the brother of mendacity.



On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *Cc:* Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] vaccines again
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> >>…OK then, assume all that.  The vaccinated catchers would then be more
> likely to go on about their business, which would introduce risk to the
> rest of the proletariat.
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> >…Not by a significant amount, given how many unvaccinated infected are
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> >…This is more than counterbalanced by the higher survival rate of those
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> OK here’s where I am going with this.  About a year ago or more, we knew
> that the vaccines introduced known and unknown risks, and that for young
> people, covid doesn’t amount to much.  So for the young, the vaccine
> introduces more risk than it removes.  Denmark has made it illegal for
> under-18s to get the vaccine.  The British study suggests that there is a
> net risk increase for 20 somethings to get the vaccines.
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> I have long estimated the crossover point where the risk retired by the
> vaccine is about equal to the risk introduced, to be around age 30.  With
> the British study, I now think it must be later than that, perhaps 40 and
> even then, dependent on one’s physical condition.  Athletic types would
> have a risk crossover point perhaps later than 40.
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> This is what is bothering me: Twitter was perhaps our best bet for sharing
> information on negative health consequences of the vaccine, but Twitter
> didn’t allow those kinds of posts until Musk bought the platform.  So now
> we know.  But we were denied that information until recently.
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