[ExI] Tracking Phone Location IDs offenders

sjatkins sjatkins at protonmail.com
Sun Jan 22 20:20:06 UTC 2023

Being boring doesn't work since the data collected is kept for very long periods of time. What is not illegal or suspicious or interesting at all today can very much be used against you when relevant standards not to mention level of censorship and punishing change tomorrow or next year or five years hence. Since when is it ok to ignore the clear intent of the Fourth Amendment and say effectively "well I have nothing to hide" and that therefore one should just throw it all wide open to anyone from government or otherwise that cares to peruse and search whatever they wish? Since when it is "safe" to just "go along to get along" with such? Why don't you turn in your guns to appear innocuous while you are at it?

If one seeks to be as boring as possible how can one live honestly, freely and well a live one is proud of? After all the "boring" norm of today is not a very good or fulfilling life.

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On Sunday, January 22nd, 2023 at 1:02 AM, Henrik Ohrstrom via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Sorry, you hade the bag and adress, ignore that part, just read that brilliant part about being boring.
> Den sön 22 jan. 2023 09:00Henrik Ohrstrom <henrik.ohrstrom at gmail.com> skrev:
>> You need to do more than just buy the phone in an Anon manner. Unless you always turn it on and off (Bagged in a rf sealed bag) at a random location, the phone will live at the same adress as you and there you have enough connection. 3G signals enable location resolution in the order of apartments and 4G 5G give you rooms or parts thereof.
>> Anonymity is hard. And suspicious. Be boring instead.
>> Den tors 12 jan. 2023 22:21sjatkins via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> skrev:
>>> For my next phone I will buy the phone and the pay as you go sim card with cash. Before I activate it flash it with grapheneos. Only pay for more on the sim card with cash or crypto. This way the phone is not tied to my true name. I will always run it with VPN on. I pay a fair amount of attention to whether there are any apps added that may send out farmed information about wifi base stations near me. That still leaves cell tower triangulation. But it is better than the average bear. If I am really nervous I will turn it off and drop it in a faraday bag before I leave home and take it out and use it only for emergencies. I don't give out the main number to hardly anyone anymore but instead give out virtual numbers where I don't just make one up for some stupid form that insists on it but doesn't need it. Most things that demand a phone # don't need one or need SMS on it once or for some lame form of 2FA.
>>> I am slowly training contacts to use Signal and I will eventually get around to using VOIP only as much as possible from home base. You can do voice and audio calls with Signal as well.
>>> I think reclaiming privacy is important and better to figure this stuff out before the government and other busies get so tyrannical there really isn't space and access to prepare. I sadly think the day is coming when all of us need such things. Too much is being made illegal or super regulated that is essential to living life as a free human being.
>>> - samantha
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>>> On Monday, January 9th, 2023 at 6:03 AM, BillK via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>> But the interesting comment is that switching off their smartphones
>>>> probably would not have helped.
>>>> Quote:
>>>> There’s a whole lot of surveillance you can do if you can follow
>>>> everyone, everywhere, all the time. I don’t even think turning your
>>>> cell phone off would help in this instance. How many people in the
>>>> Washington area turned their phones off during exactly the times of
>>>> the Washington power station attacks? Probably a small enough number
>>>> to investigate them all.
>>>> -----------
>>>> Smartphones?? Just say NO! :)
>>>> BillK
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