[ExI] LLM's cannot be concious

[Will Steinberg]

I was mostly talking about John KC, but for what it's worth I do think you
can be prone to start discussions around non-science social 'wedge' issues.

Nothing will ever be as bad as John's TDS though

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 12:57 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> From: spike at rainier66.com <spike at rainier66.com>
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> …> On Behalf Of Will Steinberg via extropy-chat
> Subject: Re: [ExI] LLM's cannot be concious
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> >>…It's a lot better than all the political bullshit people have been
> spewing here though so by all means philosophize away…
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> >…Will, I missed that somehow.  Where did anyone post anything political?
> How are you defining the term “political” please?  spike
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> Will something occurred to me that I might be able to clarify.  I only now
> realized why it is that my use of the terms proles and proletariat might
> seem political to you and for some puzzling reason set you off like a red
> cape before the enraged bull.  It might be a misunderstanding of terms.
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> This is the way I am using it, in a modified Orwellian sense: All people
> are in one of three categories at any given time: inner circle, outer
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> and proles.  All proles are members of the proletariat.  To be part of the
> inner circle, one must be elected by popular election.  In the USA, it’s
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> of those in the USA.)  All of those are inner circle people.
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> The outer circle is every government employee who is not elected, so all
> the military from the newly-arrived boot camp trench rat to the top
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> the secretary of defense and all that, the FBI and its entire hierarchy,
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> only those currently employed so not the retirees, pensioners, any of that.
> Bureaucracy is all part of the outer circle.
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> Now it is simple.  The proletariat is everyone else.  I am and have always
> been a prole.  It doesn’t imply that proles are poor, uneducated, ignorant,
> dumb, any of that.  Animals and proles are free.  Elon Musk is a prole.
> Eliezer Yudkowsky, Anders Sandberg, Robert Bradbury, K. Eric Drexler,
> Douglas Hofstadter, and now Dr. Fauci, proles all.  There is nothing
> political or condescending about being a prole, no disrespect intended.
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> Is that the way you understand the term?
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