[ExI] What is "Elemental Redness"?

[Gadersd]

> it's a very odd sort of causation where the physical properties of the presumptive proximate cause have nothing to do with the characteristics of the caused phenomena.

It would be better to say “seem to have nothing…” Not being aware of a connection does not imply that there isn’t a way to systematically bridge between physical and mental characteristics.

> On May 1, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> 
> Qualia certainly correlate to physical reality, but declaring causation there seems like a bit of a stretch - at least a begging of the question of materialism.
> 
> it's a very odd sort of causation where the physical properties of the presumptive proximate cause have nothing to do with the characteristics of the caused phenomena.
> 
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, 10:46 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
> 
> On 01/05/2023 17:05, Will Steinberg answered:
> > It means, I think, "the conformation of physical reality that produces 
> > the red quale, on the layer of physical reality that is responsible 
> > for qualia"
> 
> 
> So, a brain?
> 
> A brain is 'Elemental Redness'??
> 
> I'm reading "conformation of physical reality" as meaning "arrangement 
> of stuff", and "the layer of physical reality that is responsible for 
> qualia" as "the organisational level of matter that gives rise to 
> subjective experiences", i.e. (as far as we know) neural circuits, in a 
> brain.
> 
> I see no reason to use the word 'elemental' for that. In fact it's 
> wrong. This is far from elemental.
> 
> If I'm on the wrong track (which seems likely), well, I did ask for 
> "simple terms".
> 
> Ben
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