[ExI] What is "Elemental Redness"?

[Darin Sunley]

"Systematically bridg[ing] between [material] physical and [immaterial]
mental characteristics" is the literal expression of Chalmers' "Hard
Problem" of consciousness.

If you wanna be a famous philosopher, all you have to do is make even
infinitesimal progress along those lines. Because no one has yet.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 1:34 PM Gadersd via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> it's a very odd sort of causation where the physical properties of the
> presumptive proximate cause have nothing to do with the characteristics of
> the caused phenomena.
>
>
> It would be better to say “seem to have nothing…” Not being aware of a
> connection does not imply that there isn’t a way to systematically bridge
> between physical and mental characteristics.
>
> On May 1, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> Qualia certainly correlate to physical reality, but declaring causation
> there seems like a bit of a stretch - at least a begging of the question of
> materialism.
>
> it's a very odd sort of causation where the physical properties of the
> presumptive proximate cause have nothing to do with the characteristics of
> the caused phenomena.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, 10:46 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 01/05/2023 17:05, Will Steinberg answered:
>> > It means, I think, "the conformation of physical reality that produces
>> > the red quale, on the layer of physical reality that is responsible
>> > for qualia"
>>
>>
>> So, a brain?
>>
>> A brain is 'Elemental Redness'??
>>
>> I'm reading "conformation of physical reality" as meaning "arrangement
>> of stuff", and "the layer of physical reality that is responsible for
>> qualia" as "the organisational level of matter that gives rise to
>> subjective experiences", i.e. (as far as we know) neural circuits, in a
>> brain.
>>
>> I see no reason to use the word 'elemental' for that. In fact it's
>> wrong. This is far from elemental.
>>
>> If I'm on the wrong track (which seems likely), well, I did ask for
>> "simple terms".
>>
>> Ben
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