[ExI] What is "Elemental Redness"?

[Brent Allsop]

On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 8:31 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> What is the label for a person who thinks that "brain excitation causes
> experience" is wrong and that 'brain excitation IS experience'?  bill w
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 7:56 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 02/05/2023 02:42, Jason Resch wrote:
>> > I don't follow why saying that "experience is" rather than "experience
>> > is caused" escapes or answers the question of who is having the
>> > experience.
>>
>>
>> The 'who' is the neural pattern. This is the central point.
>>
>> I suppose you could say "experience is caused by the neural pattern, in
>> the neural pattern", but that might be more confusing. To me at least,
>> it's clearer to say the experience and the neural pattern are the same
>> thing.
>>
>> The point is to eliminate the dualism implicit in the language used.
>> It's not "my experience is caused by these neural patterns" (which
>> implies the question "what am I? What is it that these patterns cause to
>> have the experience?"), it's "I am these neural patterns, having this
>> experience".
>
>
Thank you Ben.  All the people that use terms that separate consciousness
from physical reality
<https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness?chapter=differentiating+reality+and+knowledge+of+reality&format=360&t=400>
aren't much better than dualists
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/48-Substance-Dualism>,
and non mind brain identity theorists
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/17-Mind-Brain-Identity>,
in my current opinion.


> And no, that doesn't mean only patterns created by
>> biological neurons will do. Anything capable of producing the same
>> patterns will produce the same result: Me.
>>
>> Ben
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