[ExI] What is "Elemental Redness"?

[Giovanni Santostasi]

Brent,
I click on the link you provided and immediately I see a still from the
video that says "so it can be mistaken if not correctly interpreted". I
gave you all the evidence in the world that this is exactly what happens
with color illusions.
How does your model of color account for this if it is not due to an error
in interpretation?
Please explain.
Giovanni

On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 7:34 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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>
> On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 8:31 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> What is the label for a person who thinks that "brain excitation causes
>> experience" is wrong and that 'brain excitation IS experience'?  bill w
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 7:56 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>
>>> On 02/05/2023 02:42, Jason Resch wrote:
>>> > I don't follow why saying that "experience is" rather than "experience
>>> > is caused" escapes or answers the question of who is having the
>>> > experience.
>>>
>>>
>>> The 'who' is the neural pattern. This is the central point.
>>>
>>> I suppose you could say "experience is caused by the neural pattern, in
>>> the neural pattern", but that might be more confusing. To me at least,
>>> it's clearer to say the experience and the neural pattern are the same
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> The point is to eliminate the dualism implicit in the language used.
>>> It's not "my experience is caused by these neural patterns" (which
>>> implies the question "what am I? What is it that these patterns cause to
>>> have the experience?"), it's "I am these neural patterns, having this
>>> experience".
>>
>>
> Thank you Ben.  All the people that use terms that separate consciousness
> from physical reality
> <https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness?chapter=differentiating+reality+and+knowledge+of+reality&format=360&t=400>
> aren't much better than dualists
> <https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/48-Substance-Dualism>,
> and non mind brain identity theorists
> <https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/17-Mind-Brain-Identity>,
> in my current opinion.
>
>
>> And no, that doesn't mean only patterns created by
>>> biological neurons will do. Anything capable of producing the same
>>> patterns will produce the same result: Me.
>>>
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