[ExI] Open Individualism

[Jason Resch]

On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 4:23 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Consider also, that a person changes substantially over time, gaining
> memories here, losing memories there, to the point that a 50 year old
> person has almost nothing in common psychologically with their 3 year old
> self.
>
> This 100% completely and utterly false. Personality and intelligence
> remain fairly constant if we ignore superficial factors such as preferences
> in food, books , etc.
>

A 3 year old steps into a transporter, a 50 year old with a similar
personality and IQ steps out. Did the person who entered the transporter
survive?


> The one in 200 million probability is a priori.   Some form of me would
> have resulted with a probability of 1 if any of the sperm won out.
>


And that's exactly the thinking that leads to the conclusion of open
individualism. "Some form of me would be born no matter what".

Regardless of the atoms. Regardless of the genes. Regardless of who the
parents are.

Jason


> I found no facts in the article pdf Jason sent.  As far as I am concerned
> all of this is far outside of science.  bill w
>

>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 12:52 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 9:26 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 12:10 PM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So it's like a "people's republic" where the combination of words
>>>> actually reverses the meaning of both. Open Individualism" is a philosophy
>>>> that is the inverse of the Enlightenment's ideal of individualism; in fact,
>>>> it's quite fine to sacrifice millions of so-called "open individuals" if
>>>> they are but clonal cells sacrificed by the One Body for the Greater Good.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure how you get from "all experiences belong to one universal
>>> person" to justifying the sacrifice of millions. Can you explain what steps
>>> you took to get there?
>>>
>>
>> It's quite simple, with ample historical documentation.  Whenever
>> individual human beings become seen as not distinct persons, but just
>> assets belonging to someone else - much like your skin cells are your
>> assets, not individual people - then they can and will be sacrificed en
>> masse if and when convenient for the "real" people.
>>
>> In this case, if everyone is the same person, then everyone is me.  I own
>> myself and everything that is me.  If both of these are true, I therefore
>> own everyone else (again: because everyone else is me and I own all parts
>> of myself).
>>
>> If I own everyone else, then they are assets of mine that I do not need
>> to treat as distinct human beings.  I know that I am a person, so if there
>> is only one universal person, then I am that person.
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