[ExI] Why do the language model and the vision model align?

[Jason Resch]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2026, 1:07 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 10/02/2026 13:51, John K Clark wrote:
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>   Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>  > *Does Colour 'really' exist, in a Platonic sense?*
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> *Yes, because if there's one thing that we (or at least I) can be absolutely certain of its that subjectivity exists, and the experience of color is part of that. Thus, IF there is a fundamental reality (and not an infinity of layers) THEN color is part of it.  *
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> Ok, I undertand what you're saying, but that isn't what I mean by 'in a
> Platonic sense'.
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> If colour-experiencing conscious minds didn't exist, then colour wouldn't
> be a part of reality.
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> The Platonic view is that it still would, that the existence of colour in some 'ideal realm' is independent of the existence, and experience of, minds.
> (which raises some interesting and uncomfortable issues for Platonism!)
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To advocate a bit for Platonism, I am wondering how you would class the
existence of mathematical truths and objects. For example, assuming we
agree that zero has infinite factors, that pi has infinite digits, and that
there are infinite primes, and assuming we agree that these infinite
factors, infinite digits, and infinite primes do not all exist in the
physical universe, then where do they exist? They can't exist in human
minds (as our minds can't hold infinite things) and we already agreed they
don't exist physically. So we require some third manner of existence for
such things as these. For this, I think "Platonic existence" is the perfect
substitute for when neither physical, nor mental realms will do.

Jason
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