[ExI] Why do the language model and the vision model align?

[Ben Zaiboc]

> On 10/02/2026 13:51, John K Clark wrote:
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>>> Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
>>>> wrote:
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>>> Does Colour 'really' exist, in a Platonic sense?
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>> Yes, because if there's one thing that we
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>> (or at least I) can
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>> be absolutely certain
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>> of
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>> its
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>> that
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>> subjectivity exists
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>> ,
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>> and
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>> the experience of color is part of that. Thus,
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>> IF
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>> there is a fundamental reality (and not an infinity of layers)
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>> THEN
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>> color is part of it.
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> Ok, I undertand what you're saying, but that isn't what I mean by 'in a Platonic sense'.
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> If colour-experiencing conscious minds didn't exist, then colour wouldn't be a part of reality. The Platonic view is that it still would, that the existence of colour in some 'ideal realm' is independent of the existence, and experience of, minds.
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> (which raises some interesting and uncomfortable issues for Platonism!)
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>
> Ben
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