[Paleopsych] Re: Blue and Red States on a Global basis

[Geraldine Reinhardt]

Yes, sadly, atrocities are part of warfare and the one
insurgent in Fallujah was a disaster.  But that 
insurgent
was only ONE figure. Could have been a deranged
military man.

Fallujah for Americans meant they needed to win.  How 
can
winning be a disaster?  Unless of course you decide to 
side
with the enemy.

The Arab world could  have shown a video of mass 
killing by
Americans and the Arab world would have believed it 
correct.
It's wartime and each faction must decide on which side 
they
support.

Gerry




Gerry Reinhart-Waller
Independent Scholar
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'" 
<paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] Re: Blue and Red States on a 
Global basis


> No, I recognize that atrocities are a part of 
> warfare.
>
> I also recognize that the campaign in Fallujah has 
> been
> a questionable military success and an absolute 
> disaster
> in PR terms.
>
> No matter what we think of it, that piece of video, 
> which
> we did not see in its entirety (but the Arab world 
> did), is a
> fabulous tool for fund raising and recruiting.
>
> Steve Hovland
> www.stevehovland.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. 
> [SMTP:ljohnson at solution-consulting.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 4:39 PM
> To: The new improved paleopsych list
> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] Re: Blue and Red States on 
> a Global basis
>
> Gerry, you seem to be calling for thoughtful 
> appraisal of gobal forces,
> and I appreciate it. Reason and analysis are needed. 
> Steve's comment
> about the dead insurgent indicates a completely 
> unrealistic view of
> warfare. The day before, an insurgent playing dead 
> blew up a corpsman,
> and the marines have every reason to be suspicious. 
> Such events happen
> all the time in war. Read Band of Brothers about the 
> killing of German
> POWs.
>    Scan www.opinionjournal.com for the "Good news 
> from Iraq /
> Afghanistan" occasional pieces, and you see the other 
> side.
> Lynn
>
> Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
>
>>
>> Killing that insurgent is an isolated incident and 
>> does NOT constitute
>> initiating killing fields.   One robin does not a 
>> springtime make yet
>> some
>> sunworshippers grab any port in a storm.
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hovland"
>> <shovland at mindspring.com>
>> To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'" 
>> <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:41 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] Re: Blue and Red States on 
>> a Global basis
>>
>>
>>> After the killing of a wounded, unarmed "insurgent" 
>>> by
>>> a US marine, I would expect that a poll of the 
>>> Islamic
>>> world would reveal an unprecedented level of 
>>> undying
>>> hatred for the US.
>>>
>>> No amount of explanation will ever overwrite that 
>>> image.
>>>
>>> Steve Hovland
>>> www.stevehovland.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Geraldine  Reinhardt 
>>> [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:30 PM
>>> To: The new improved paleopsych list
>>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] Re: Blue and Red States 
>>> on a Global basis
>>>
>>> I would have thought Bush's task after being 
>>> elected
>>> U.S. President
>>> was to mold his allies into a common cause.  That 
>>> seems
>>> to be what
>>> we are now observing as Bush romances Chirac. 
>>> Which of
>>> the
>>> European leaders still scorn Bush's lead?  And what
>>> about Putin.....
>>> I do think he's still part of the gameplan.
>>> A new world-wide poll needs to be taken before the
>>> Christmas
>>> Holidays.  I think the Blue and Red States might 
>>> offer
>>> a different
>>> profile.
>>>
>>> Gerry
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Werbos, Dr. 
>>> Paul J."
>>> <paul.werbos at verizon.net>
>>> To: "The new improved paleopsych list"
>>> <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>; "The new improved
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>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 3:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] Re: Blue and Red States 
>>> on a
>>> Global basis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> About 2-3 weeks before the election, the Financial
>>>> Times
>>>> (not a left-wing rag!) reported world-wide polls 
>>>> in
>>>> which 3 nations supported Bush, 2 were neutral,
>>>> and all others pro-Kerry. The 3 were Poland,
>>>> Phillipines and Nigeria. The 2 were Thai land
>>>> (one of the ties was Thai! sorry...) and India. 
>>>> Views
>>>> of Islam clearly were in the background.
>>>> My Division at NSF was mainly Indian and Nigerian,
>>>> and we had some jokes...
>>>> and some very embarrassed Indians. One of whom 
>>>> told
>>>> me there was a new poll just
>>>> before the election, and then it was only Poland. 
>>>> I
>>>> didn't ping him for sources.
>>>>
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