[Paleopsych] Tom Coburn on abortion

[Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D.]

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Steve Hovland wrote:

>So are you willing to accept free access
>to condoms for 12 year olds, and access
>to abortion if the condoms fail?
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>Steve Hovland
>www.stevehovland.net
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>From:	Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. [SMTP:ljohnson at solution-consulting.com]
>Sent:	Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:17 AM
>To:	The new improved paleopsych list
>Subject:	Re: [Paleopsych] Tom Coburn on abortion
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>Good c omments, Steve, except for the last paragraph. There is no study 
>I am aware of that suggests that 'science based sex education' will 
>prevent unwanted pregnancies. Can you find one?
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>What evidence I am aware of suggests that values-based education - 
>"indoctrination" - does help substantially. Look at Uganda's experience 
>for an example, when the ABC model did appear to reduce AIDS. Programs 
>without the AB part seem to have a track record of failure (there are 
>informal AB components going on in Brasil & Jamaica if those are your 
>counter examples). If you can find an actual study to the contrary, I am 
>open.
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>We might conclude that both Right and Left have substantial blind spots 
>when it comes to abortion. While the Right may balk at the C component, 
>liberals I am personally acquainted with seem horrified by the AB 
>components.
>LJ
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>Steve Hovland wrote:
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>>A lot of us on the left don't think abortion is
>>a good idea.
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>>Anyone who knows a woman who has had
>>an abortion knows that she pays an emotional
>>price for it.
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>>But we also know that women do make that
>>decision, and we don't think it is moral for
>>them to be forced to go to dangerous
>>back-alley abortionists when they do make
>>that decision.
>>
>>The right needs to get in touch with reality
>>about the actual sexual behavior of people
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>>from the age of 12 and up, and stop
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>>opposing the science-based sex education
>>that would help prevent unwanted pregnancies..
>>
>>Steve Hovland
>>www.stevehovland.net
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From:	Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. [SMTP:ljohnson at solution-consulting.com]
>>Sent:	Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:25 AM
>>To:	The new improved paleopsych list
>>Subject:	Re: [Paleopsych] Tom Coburn on abortion
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>>Michael,
>>You are correct. I tried www.news.google.com (I use news.google because 
>>I want actual news stories and not internet rumors) and I found one 
>>story from Oklahoma (Fox news) where they reported that. I did find a 
>>lot of secondary sources with the term "death penalty" but only that one 
>>primary source. Ironically he did perform two abortions himself in his 
>>medical career:
>>http://www.fox23.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=BF956298-934E-4B30-B9D3-DC274E134AF4
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>>I agree with you. His position is thoughtless. Such violent speech must 
>>be opposed. I am personally repelled by abortion, but the right way to 
>>deal with that is education and persuasion about better alternatives. 
>>Violence is never the way. I plan to write to him and ask him to 
>>moderate his views - using persuasion and reason again.
>>
>>I was doubtful because his profession - physician - should have taught 
>>him to do no harm. But that is certainly no guarantee of reason.
>>Lynn
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>>Michael Christopher wrote:
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>>>>>Michael, this is a questionable report. I just 
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>>>did a Yahoo News search for the terms:
>>>Tom Coburn Oklahoma abortion capital punishment
>>>No returns.<<
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>>>--Try Google (lots of matches). I'd give you a source,
>>>but you'd have to tell me which sources you'd trust
>>>first, so I don't waste my time only to hear "Well,
>>>that's a liberal source, so I don't trust it". I've
>>>learned to ask that question first, to avoid the
>>>typical response.
>>>
>>>Michael
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