[Paleopsych] Eshel and Pavel--time as a translator
HowlBloom at aol.com
HowlBloom at aol.com
Thu Nov 24 05:18:59 UTC 2005
Eshel--It's been much too long since we've communicated and I've missed you.
Have I introduced you to Pavel Kurakin, from the Keldysh Institute of
Applied Mathematics of the Russian Academy of Science in Moscow? Thanks to Pavel I
gave a presentation at the international conference Quantum Informatics 2005
in Moscow a month ago.
That presentation stressed the fact that no quantum particle is an island.
All particles in the real world are part of mobs. So understanding mob
behavior is critical to physics. My example of a mob in motion was derived from
your work on bacterial colonies and credited you heavily.
The dialog below also owes a great deal to you--specifically to the
questions you tossed me on information way back when.
And as I continue the discussion, which I'll do below, you'll become even
more a part of it. Howard
In a message dated 11/23/2005 9:18:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kurakin1970 at yandex.ru writes:
hb: Time is a communication of past to future via the interpretive process
pavel kurakin: fantastic formulation. it could seem trivial but one point:
"communication" means flow in both sides. Triviality turns out to be extreme
innovation. this is what i call "hidden time" and what you call "mob
emotions". I would add "plans".
hb: Rich, rich thought-food, Pavel.
My first intuition is that the communication called time is one-way But
thinking through your inner time hypothesis and pondering the link to the future
that the word "plans" involves, you may be right. The inner-time hypothesis
is about two-way communication in which the present signals to a semblance
of the future and moves according to the feedback it gets back.
A plan, a sense of a future objective, plays a major role in Eshel
Ben-Jacob's interpretation of bacterial colonies as creative webs. I also suspect a
goal plays a role in the rules by which the present translates the past into
Which brings us back to teleonomy. Teleonomy is biologist Ernst Mayr's way
of smuggling a whiff of teleology back into legitimate science. Do you know
about teleology and teleonomy?
Here's a for more relevant question. If the present is the process that
translates the past into the future, what rules does it use? And do those rules
change as the complexity of the present and of the future grow? Howard
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