[Paleopsych] Eshel and Pavel--time as a translator

HowlBloom at aol.com HowlBloom at aol.com
Thu Nov 24 05:18:59 UTC 2005

Eshel--It's been much too long since we've communicated and I've missed  you.
Have I introduced you to Pavel Kurakin, from the Keldysh Institute of  
Applied Mathematics of the Russian Academy of Science in Moscow?  Thanks to  Pavel I 
gave a presentation at the international conference Quantum Informatics  2005 
in Moscow a month ago.
That presentation stressed the fact that  no quantum particle is an  island.  
All particles in the real world are part of mobs.  So  understanding mob 
behavior is critical to physics.  My example of a mob in  motion was derived from 
your work on bacterial colonies and credited you  heavily.
The dialog below also owes a great deal to you--specifically to the  
questions you tossed me on information way back when.
And as I continue the discussion, which I'll do below, you'll become even  
more a part of it.  Howard
In a message dated 11/23/2005 9:18:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
kurakin1970 at yandex.ru writes:

hb: Time  is a communication of past to future via the  interpretive process 
we  call 
the present. 

pavel kurakin: fantastic formulation. it could  seem trivial but one point: 
"communication"  means flow in both sides.  Triviality turns out to be extreme 
innovation. this is what i call "hidden  time" and what you call "mob 
emotions". I would add "plans".
hb: Rich, rich thought-food, Pavel. 
My first intuition is that the communication called time is  one-way  But 
thinking through your inner time hypothesis and pondering the  link to the future 
that the word "plans" involves, you may be right.  The  inner-time hypothesis 
is about two-way communication in which the present  signals to a semblance 
of the future and moves according to the feedback it gets  back. 
A plan, a sense of a future objective, plays a major role in Eshel  
Ben-Jacob's interpretation of bacterial colonies as creative webs.  I also  suspect a 
goal plays a role in the rules by which the present translates the  past into 
Which brings us back to teleonomy.  Teleonomy is biologist Ernst  Mayr's way 
of smuggling a whiff of teleology back into legitimate science.   Do you know 
about teleology and teleonomy?  
Here's a for more relevant question.  If the present is the process  that 
translates the past into the future, what rules does it use?  And do  those rules 
change as the complexity of the present and of the future  grow?  Howard

Howard Bloom
Author of The Lucifer Principle: A  Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of 
History and Global Brain: The Evolution  of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 
21st Century
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