[ExI] The new Century

Samantha Atkins sjatkins at mac.com
Wed Aug 17 23:41:24 UTC 2011

On 08/17/2011 09:09 AM, Amon Zero wrote:
> I've just posted something new on my blog which might be of interest 
> to folks here:
> http://transhumanpraxis.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/the-new-century/


You are still repeating several notions that I and others have made 
sound or at least credible arguments against.  This is disappointing.  
Short version:

1) Abolishing all involuntary suffering is a bogus goal as any negative 
feedback can be experienced as suffering or any less than preferred 
outcomes whatsoever.

2) No central committee equivalent, whether technocratic and 
meritocratic or not, can possibly respond better and as quickly to all 
conditions as localized talents of perhaps equal competency.  So this is 
a rehash of central state being better memes with insufficient 

3) No money means no fungible value tokens and thus no sophisticated 
traded of goods and services and no means to vote with said tokens for 
what uses of resources are more or less desirable.  This issue does not 
go away just because you have MNT and/or AGI.

4) There is nothing wrong with debt or other risk trading per se only 
with abusive forms and instruments.

5) Constraining business to the will of society is constraining the 
productive (producing more value than consumed in doing so) to the whims 
of a mythical ill-defined mob called "society".  It has nothing to do 
with a truly "new" century.

6) Free markets are not in the least what caused the current economic 
crisis.  Acting as if they are shows a singular lack of understanding 
and a dangerous one embedded in a supposed policy document.  It is 
government that much change, not capitalism / free markets.  The 
embedded screed against capitalism is uncalled for.

7) The notion that someone needs to be in charge is the largest root of 
all evil that you seem to embrace.

Before you form a meaningful movement toward a better future you need a 
much much clearer understanding of where we are, how things work, and 
most especially a reasonably coherent set of ethical and epistemological 
building blocks the rest is grounded upon.  What you list here is a 
hodgepodge of opinions and rather commonplace assumptions and 
prejudices.  It will not do.

- samantha

> All the Best,
> Amon
> _______________________________________________
> extropy-chat mailing list
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20110817/a03ab4c4/attachment.html>

More information about the extropy-chat mailing list