[ExI] Humans losing freewill
William Flynn Wallace
foozler83 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 20 20:43:11 UTC 2016
I don't think algebra or trigonometry is wrong, so at least one of those
assumptions must be.
John K Clark
Sometimes we just have to assume things without good evidence. In the
absence of compelling data, we assume that a person meant to do what they
did, and use that as the basis for a legal decision.
Determinism fits in here too: we have to assume it in criminal cases, just
like free will, even though both constructs are arguable.
When something better comes along, we may have to change
our way of thinking about people and re-write our entire legal system. But
for now, we have no good alternatives.
We bend the assumptions we have too. We excuse certain behaviors by minors
and by mentally challenged people as if they cannot have full intent. (I
think this is ridiculous. They knew what they were doing.)
Anyone want to get rid of the idea of determinism? Replace it with what?
As for the math you talk about, how can algebra and trig be 'wrong' when
they give answers that work in the 'real world'?
bill w
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 1:01 PM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:56 AM, William Flynn Wallace <
> foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> >>
>>> From the viewpoint of any observer anywhere in the multiverse ( in other
>>> words from any possible
>>>
>>> observer) determinism locality
>>>
>>> and realism cannot all be true, at least one must be wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> > I have to give up here and stop. If you are going to throw quantum
>> theory at me, I am defenseless. I will add that we are talking about some
>> things that possibly will never be proven.
>>
>
> It's not a theory it's a experimental
> observation, Bell's inequality is violated no doubt about it. And Bell
> didn't even use quantum mechanics when he derived his inequality, he used
> nothing but high school algebra and trigonometry and the assumptions that
> determinism, locality and realism are true. And yet we know through
> observation that Bell's inequality *IS* violated. So either high school
> algebra and
> trigonometry
> is wrong or at least one of the 3 assumptions that Bell made is wrong.
> Even if quantum mechanics is someday proven to be incorrect whatever
> theory succeeds it will not change the observation that Bell's inequality
> is indeed violated. I don't think algebra or trigonometry is wrong, so at
> least one of those assumptions must be.
>
> John K Clark
>
>
>
>>
>
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