[ExI] I see pitchforks.

[William Flynn Wallace]

OK, so tell me - history was my worst subject and I have not studied any
since way long ago, unless it was about science or music:  just when were
pitchforks employed?  Prior to capitalism.  Serf rebellions?  Did they
happen?  Did they have any effect?  Leave out the FRench Revolution.  Even
if you can cite some examples, I'd still say that our era is unique and you
can't predict anything accurately from history.  From my pitiful knowledge
of history, it seems that dealing with problems in a culture was always
very late in coming, like Viet Nam protests.

I do think this:  that if benefits were ever given to the people, it was
nearly impossible to stop them -that's what would bring out the
pitchforks.

bill w

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 9:08 AM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 7:52 PM Rafal Smigrodzki <
> rafal.smigrodzki at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Rafal I'm a capitalist same as you,
>>>
>>
>> > *### Dunno, reading some of your statements makes it hard to believe
>> it. *
>>
>
> I guess neither of us understands the other. Capitalism just covers
> economic freedom but libertarianism is a broader term and I think there are
> other freedoms that don't involve money that are also important. And given
> your support of Trump I find it hard to believe you're a libertarian.
>
>
>> > *I am a brazen, balls-to-the-wall Capitalist*
>>
>
> Until 5 or 6 years ago I was too.  I knew from day one that my
> unconditional support of Capitalism simply could not continue forever but I
> figured the day when it needed to be modified was so far in the future I
> didn't need to worry about it now. But it happened faster than I thought.
> Because of advances in technology well paying jobs are going away and they
> are never coming back. The number of jobs that still require a human
> operator gets smaller every day, and you can bet that Billions of people
> who no longer have an income are not going to starve to death without first
> making a rather large fuss. Newton's theory always worked until it didn't,
> and then we had to move onto General Relativity, I think the same sort of
> thing is happening right now with Capitalism.
>
> *> **with a pinch of ancap. *
>>
>
> And for years I had more than a pinch of Anarcho-capitalism I was all in.
> And I still think if we were starting from scratch that would be the way to
> go rather than with nation states; but we are not starting from scratch and
> there is not a snowball's chance in hell of reorganizing human society in
> that mode before the technological Singularity.
>
> *> Your support of capitalism appears to be rather subdued. *
>
>
> My theory was that Capitalism is the best basic organizing principle for
> creating wealth that a society can have, and the dramatic difference
> between Capitalistic and Communist countries (such as North and South
> Korea) was powerful empirical evidence in favor of the theory. Capitalism
> was my favorite economic theory but it was never my religion, so I was
> willing to support it up to the point it stopped working but not beyond
> because in my view the Scientific Method outranks everything, even
> Capitalism.  So if a non-chaotic society is desired and I see signs
> Capitalism is working less well (and I have) then my support of pure
> capitalism will indeed become more subdued, although it is still much greater
> than in most people I know.
>
> > *Money will set us free!*
>>
>
> If you think money related freedoms are the only sort of freedoms there
> are then you are not a libertarian. And if you support Trump's tariff
> policy then even with my reservations I'm still a more balls-to-the-wall
> Capitalist than you are.
>
>  John K Clark
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