[ExI] teachers

[William Flynn Wallace]

Spike, it's just so evident that people are talking about consciousness
etc. for a software program that still yields wrong answers.  Do you not
think that uploading is an issue that is very far from relevant, given
current technology?  I have no problem with people dreaming, of course.
Talking of consciousness when no one is able to define it or tell when it
is there.  I suppose I am overreacting to ideas that are very far from
being implemented and for now are just being played with.   Maybe I should
just retract the post.   bill w

On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 10:29 AM Gregory Jones <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:

> ...>...height of wishful thinking...cart, horse inversion, gun jumping,
> etc...
>
> Billw, you will need to offer a bit of evidence to back up that strong
> statement.  You offered us an opinion only.  Granted it is one shared by
> most of humanity.
>
> Regarding your question of asking ChatGPT to write in the style of a 12 yr
> old, it can.  It does a better job of writing in 12 yr old than a smart 12
> yr old.  Not as good as a dumb one, but they are working that.
>
> But do explain why you are so confident that uploading to immortality is
> not rational please.  Note that I am not necessarily disagreeing.  But I
> want to hear your reasoning.
>
> spike
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 8:20 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> It seems that many of us want AIs to be people:  conscious, with emotions
>> and so forth.  I suggest that this stems from wanting uploading to work so
>> we can be immortal and have all the same lives we have now.
>>
>> I suggest that this is the height of wishful thinking.  And putting the
>> cart WAY before the horse.    Jumping the gun, etc. Not rational. bill w
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 10:08 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm currently a materialist and find many good points in scientism, so
>>> if
>>> I have a box or a robot, that convinces me in every aspect that it is
>>> conscious
>>> by acting as if it was conscious, that's conscious for me.
>>>
>>> I do not subscribe to unique qualia or "redness" experiences, therefore,
>>> I
>>> cannot see a problem with the good old turing.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023, Gregory Jones via extropy-chat wrote:
>>>
>>> > BillW's question regarding the instructor's task of distinguishing
>>> between a student and AI puts a final nail in the coffin of
>>> > Turing's test.  Artificial intelligence is able create an illusion of
>>> consciousness so convincing, we are still debating if it really
>>> > is the real thing, all while failing to adequately define precisely
>>> what we mean by "real."
>>> > spike
>>> >
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