[ExI] teachers

[Jason Resch]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, 6:47 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 3:08 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, 6:02 PM Jason Resch <jasonresch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, 5:32 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:59 PM Adrian Tymes <atymes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 1:47 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you at least understand why I might believe superdeterminism
>>>>>> implies a malicious, adversarial, conspiratorial process?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.  However, I believe that attributing such motives and malice to
>>>>> physics is incorrect, even in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmm...on review, this might have been a bit too curt.  Some examples,
>>>> then:
>>>>
>>>> "Why can't I accelerate past the speed of light?  This 'relativity'
>>>> nonsense is physics conspiring against me!"
>>>>
>>>> "Why can't I have a perpetual motion machine?  Entropy is a conspiracy
>>>> against me!"
>>>>
>>>> "Why can't I know in advance how long a computation will take and if it
>>>> will ever complete?  Every time I try, something conspires against me!"
>>>>
>>>> I believe that claims that superdeterminism is a malicious,
>>>> adversarial, conspiratorial process are similarly incorrect.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you are still missing something. These aren't comparable
>>> situations.
>>>
>>
>> I should elaborate:
>>
>> If you understood the unique strangeness of superdeterminism, I would
>> expect you to say something along the lines of:
>>
>> "Yes I can see why you might think nature is conspiring to always fool
>> us, however it is not for the reason X"
>>
>
> It is not, as it is not - so far as we can tell - a sentient entity
> capable of conspiring.
>

It is something which must be adaptively change in response to our
activities, choosing values such that we mistakenly believe the quantum
probabilities cannot be hidden variables, when in fact, they are.

You don't have to anthropomorphize this entity, nor bestow it with
sentience, but it must be something that responds (adversarially and
adaptively) to our own decisions and actions, with the effect that it acts
in a manner that we are led to a false conclusion.

Jason
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