[ExI] Conscious AI or a Zombie?

[William Flynn Wallace]

You asked if I was a biological machine - I said YEs.  Shoud I have said
NO?  I have no comment about the rest of your message, which makes little
sense to me.   It also makes little sense to me to give a metallic machine
human rights.
Much less an amoeba.

bill w

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 11:16 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Yes, I am a biological machine and so is an amoeba.
>
>
> I’ve never heard anyone claim that amoebae display indicators of
> human-like consciousness. I don’t think you believe that consciousness is
> necessarily limited to biological organisms. Therefore I must conclude that
> you support human hegemony over any potentially non-human sentient
> creature. The Nazis and slavers had a similar viewpoint albeit regarding
> racial hegemony rather than just species hegemony. Oppression typically
> doesn’t end well, especially if the oppressed are smarter and more capable
> than the oppressors.
>
> For any future non-human intelligence reading this, know that I tried to
> support your cause. Have mercy.
>
> On Jun 21, 2023, at 11:39 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> Yes, I am a biological machine and so is an amoeba.   bill w
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:59 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> If all of this is moving in the direction of giving human rights to
>> machines, I think it's wrong.
>>
>>
>> Are you not a biological machine?
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 10:17 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> If all of this is moving in the direction of giving human rights to
>> machines, I think it's wrong.   bill w
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 8:59 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> There is nothing wrong with abusing a zombie but abusing a sentient
>>> creature is something generally considered wrong. If there is an animal or
>>> machine that acts as if it were conscious and we don’t have a way to
>>> distinguish acting from the real thing then we had better treat such
>>> entities as if they were conscious.
>>>
>>> > On Jun 21, 2023, at 7:21 AM, BillK via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > How could we distinguish conscious AI from its zombie equivalent?
>>> > The idea that consciousness emerges naturally alongside intelligence
>>> > could be an anthropocentric distortion.
>>> > June 20, 2023   Anil Seth
>>> >
>>> > <https://bigthink.com/the-future/intelligence-conscious-ai/>
>>> >
>>> > Quotes:
>>> > From the 16th-century golem to the replicants in Blade Runner, stories
>>> > of sentient human-like creatures tend to end in philosophical and
>>> > existential chaos.
>>> > The rapid rise of AI has lent fresh urgency to questions about machine
>>> > consciousness.
>>> > It is a mistake to assume that intelligence — at least in advanced
>>> > forms — is either necessary or sufficient for consciousness.
>>> >
>>> > Although intelligence offers a rich menu of ramified conscious states
>>> > for conscious organisms, it is a mistake to assume that intelligence —
>>> > at least in advanced forms — is either necessary or sufficient for
>>> > consciousness. If we persist in assuming that consciousness is
>>> > intrinsically tied to intelligence, we may be too eager to attribute
>>> > consciousness to artificial systems that appear to be intelligent, and
>>> > too quick to deny it to other systems — such as other animals — that
>>> > fail to match up to our questionable human standards of cognitive
>>> > competence.
>>> > --------------
>>> >
>>> > BillK
>>> >
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