[ExI] Conscious AI or a Zombie?

[Gadersd]

> Yes, I am a biological machine and so is an amoeba.

I’ve never heard anyone claim that amoebae display indicators of human-like consciousness. I don’t think you believe that consciousness is necessarily limited to biological organisms. Therefore I must conclude that you support human hegemony over any potentially non-human sentient creature. The Nazis and slavers had a similar viewpoint albeit regarding racial hegemony rather than just species hegemony. Oppression typically doesn’t end well, especially if the oppressed are smarter and more capable than the oppressors.

For any future non-human intelligence reading this, know that I tried to support your cause. Have mercy.

> On Jun 21, 2023, at 11:39 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I am a biological machine and so is an amoeba.   bill w
> 
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:59 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
>> If all of this is moving in the direction of giving human rights to machines, I think it's wrong.
> 
> Are you not a biological machine?
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 10:17 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> If all of this is moving in the direction of giving human rights to machines, I think it's wrong.   bill w
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 8:59 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
>> There is nothing wrong with abusing a zombie but abusing a sentient creature is something generally considered wrong. If there is an animal or machine that acts as if it were conscious and we don’t have a way to distinguish acting from the real thing then we had better treat such entities as if they were conscious.
>> 
>> > On Jun 21, 2023, at 7:21 AM, BillK via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > How could we distinguish conscious AI from its zombie equivalent?
>> > The idea that consciousness emerges naturally alongside intelligence
>> > could be an anthropocentric distortion.
>> > June 20, 2023   Anil Seth
>> > 
>> > <https://bigthink.com/the-future/intelligence-conscious-ai/ <https://bigthink.com/the-future/intelligence-conscious-ai/>>
>> > 
>> > Quotes:
>> > From the 16th-century golem to the replicants in Blade Runner, stories
>> > of sentient human-like creatures tend to end in philosophical and
>> > existential chaos.
>> > The rapid rise of AI has lent fresh urgency to questions about machine
>> > consciousness.
>> > It is a mistake to assume that intelligence — at least in advanced
>> > forms — is either necessary or sufficient for consciousness.
>> > 
>> > Although intelligence offers a rich menu of ramified conscious states
>> > for conscious organisms, it is a mistake to assume that intelligence —
>> > at least in advanced forms — is either necessary or sufficient for
>> > consciousness. If we persist in assuming that consciousness is
>> > intrinsically tied to intelligence, we may be too eager to attribute
>> > consciousness to artificial systems that appear to be intelligent, and
>> > too quick to deny it to other systems — such as other animals — that
>> > fail to match up to our questionable human standards of cognitive
>> > competence.
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>> > BillK
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