[ExI] "thoughts to live by" regarding youth subculture

John Grigg possiblepaths2050 at gmail.com
Tue Nov 11 03:20:44 UTC 2008

Spike wrote:
Come now Johnny, I know you personally and I know you are the nicest guy on
ExI-chat.  Many women would be thankful to have you and wouldn't break your
heart.  Be sure you are looking for them in the right places pal.  Someone
out there who knows a single young lady of transhumanist mindset, do have
them contact John Grigg.  I can assure them they will not be disappointed.

This is very high praise, indeed!  I'm blushing!  : )  Thanks, Spike.

Dagon, your comments and links about the Goth subculture were fascinating to
me.  I did not think of Goths as  "losers"  but did assume they reveled in a
rich but negative fantasy life and were snobbish & not necessarily the
upwardly mobile to the extent you say.  I had the mainstream American
public's opinion of Goths (probably coming from the lyrics and imagery of
various bands), rather than having an insider's take on things.  I wonder to
what extent European Goth culture differs from the American?  But I would
like one day to get an Emo's perspective on this discussion, considering
what you said.

I tend to agree with you that even the supposedly spoiled (and in some ways
they are) youth of the 1st world have it actually pretty hard.  Japanese
young people are in my view at the forefront of this, but all kids in the
developed world feel the pressure to fit in, compete and perform
educationally and professionally in a very competitive society, and yet also
have a personal/spiritual/family life that matters.  Some youth have the
right combination of nature & nurture (or at least nature) to succeed in our
demanding and high-tech environment, but there are quite a few who just
don't have what it takes to make it and get their slice of the American Pie.

But I do admit that being a citizen of the 1st world pressure cooker is
*vastly* better than living in a Latin American, Asian or African ghetto
where basic medicine, healthy and plentiful food, civil liberties, adequate
shelter and education are only a dream.  But many living legally in our
"wondrous" 1st world still don't have all their basic living needs met.

Dagon wrote:
Here's how the biggest goth of the known universe, the inventor of the whole
vampire thing turned out: Used to hang with him in Amsterdam a while:

How did your friend wind up inventing the whole Goth/vampire thing?   He
sounds like quite an individual!

you wrote:
He had girls so pretty, so kinky, so amazingly attractive you'd swallow your
words in a second. And he got loaded of selling vampire parafernalia, teeth
and lenses.

The women were drawn to him because he played the role of the "vampire
lord?"  Good looks? Charm? Intelligence? Lots of money?  I have read females
tend to be very attracted to creative/artistic men.  I suppose the first
substantially enhanced transhumans will have an even greater attraction to
potential lovers.

you continue:
As an another example, here is an example why some goth chicks drive me
insane with desire.

She is gorgeous.  The Goth look for a women (at least to me) is extremely
seductive and enhances female physical beauty.   Again, I can envision
genetically modified women in the decades ahead who will embody the Goth
ideal of beauty as no one really could in our present time.  I hope you are
able to handle it when you are driven *past* the point of insanity! lol

Based on what you said regarding the "Goth work ethic," it sounds like I
should tell my brother to encourage his son (when he gets old enough) to
become a member of this subculture!  And to think that in the old days kids
became Boy Scouts for a leg up in life!  ; )

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