[ExI] [Soc]Complex Adaptive Systems - Tending Always to 50/50 split)

John Grigg possiblepaths2050 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 16 10:13:12 UTC 2008

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Stefano Vaj <stefano.vaj at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:38 AM, John Grigg
> <possiblepaths2050 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, this of course is going to happen due to the propaganda of American
> > rivals (even when the U.S. does the right thing in the world arena).
> "Doing the right thing" in the international arena often means for a
> government to protect the sovereignty and freedom of the country they
> were appointed to rule, rather than betray their people in favour of
> foreign entities. Now, it happens that on such basis what is the right
> thing for country A is not exactly the best possible scenario for
> country B...

Are you saying international politics is a zero sum game? LOL!

> > The U.S. and it's allies are far from perfect, but we do have an internal
> > self-correcting (at least sometimes) moral compass that Russia and China
> > sure don't seem to have.  They are essentially tyrannies.
> Well, face to such articles of faith, not much room for debate exists,
> does it? :-)

And that's just how I like it!  ; )  But I am right.

> > Did Georgia really want to be part of this Eurasiastic alliance?
> In Tbilisi or in Tskhinvali? Before or after being taken over by the
> western-leaning mafia currently ruling it? :-)>

Russia used classic political gamesmanship ("we must protect our bullied
friends there") as an excuse to invade.  Politics in the region tends to be
an ugly bloodsport.

> >Yes, Russia will make an alliance to oppose the West.  And they will bully
> their neighbors to make it happen.  The Russian love/hate
> > relationship with the West continues...
> In fact, Russia was much closer to the US than to Europe, China and
> India in both the Gorbaciov and Eltsin era. Now, they seem to believe
> that their interests are better served by changing priorities. Only
> the future will tell whether this greater attention to their immediate
> neighbours will pay off. For sure, moral will have little to do with
> that either way.

Putin and it appears his successor, seem very fond of the classic Soviet era
ways of ruling a nation, and intimidating/muzzling their journalists and the
national media outlets is a classic example of this behavior.  And with oil
revenues filling their coffers, the military is going to be pumped up,
steroids style, once again.  Yes, ethics will have little to do with their
expansionist plans.

> In more general terms, I think most people, and transhumanists
> especially, are probably better off in a multipolar world than in a
> unipolar one, was it just for the competitive dynamics that the first
> still seems able to maintain better than the second.

Yes, I heartily agree due to the fact that technological competition between
nations and political blocs creates so much needed innovation.  But if
things overheat we will see conflict and war vastly worse than what two
world wars delivered.

John Grigg

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