[ExI] Rick Warren on religion
William Flynn Wallace
foozler83 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 9 22:37:35 UTC 2018
The people of Ireland send their kids to Catholic schools (though many are
taking their kids out as well as not going to Mass) because they have few
choices and Catholic schools are ubiquitous.
Lying on forms, tests, etc. is so extensive that many subjects cannot be
researched this way - sex things for one. Everybody lies about sex. Women
are more liberal these days. Are they? Or are their survey answers just
different? Or are they lying now to be hep, or were they lying in the
past? It could all be conformity to the values at the time. Outer
conformity; not necessarily inner.
Freedom is becoming more and more popular, in China and many other places.
People see how the rest of the world lives and wants something different
from what they have. Even the people in Iran (if you can believe their
surveys) do not want any religious entities in government. They want not a
theocracy but a democracy, and I hope they get it.
In the Middle Ages if your father was a tailor, so were you - for the most
part. Now people in most places have so much more freedom and so many more
opportunities that I do not see how the conformity from generation to
generation will hold. And more and more people are moving into big cities,
where anonymity is far easier than in the village they came from. Then
they can be free to shuck their old ways and religion. Times, they are a'
I do not know, of course, just what percentage of Muslims want to kill us,
but it has to be somewhere around .000009 and maybe that's not enough zeros.
And just what do you have against sincerity? That's like being against
On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 2:44 PM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 12:38 PM William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> > Well, for one thing, people lie, including children. Muslim children
>> are Muslim because their parents are.
> Sure some do, but I don't think it's credible to maintain this represents
> more than a tiny minority because when they have children of their own they
> drill the exact same thing into their head. Do you really think this could
> go on for 100 generations with nobody believing what they say? I think most
> Muslims are sincere, I also thing sincerity is a vastly overrated virtue.
>> > In the case of the Muslims, you take your life in your hands if you
>> deny your parents religion.
> Yes but why should all those Muslims want to murder non-believers if they
> really thought it was all a load of crap?
> > I do wonder what is happening in Ireland. The church there has been so
>> guilty of sexual activity with children that many are not going to Mass,
>> but I'll bet they put "Catholic' in forms.
> But they don't just put it on forms, they might not go to mass every
> Sunday but most STILL think Judgement Day will happen and expect Catholic
> theology to prevail in that court and a Catholic priest would be their best
> lawyer to prepare their case. Perhaps not as many believe this as before it
> became known that so many Catholic priests were pedophiles but even today
> the vast majority of Catholics in Ireland STILL send their children to
> Catholic schools taught by Catholic priests. Go Figure.
>> > So I still need real data.
> If everybody always lies about what they consciously believe then there
> can never be any real data about it because the only thing we know about
> what others are consciousness of and what they believe is by listening to
> what they say.
> John K Clark
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