[ExI] ?What would ?Kim Jong-un? do??

Tue May 1 23:27:09 UTC 2018

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the thermonuclear war this morning...

On Tue, May 1, 2018, 7:09 PM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:46 PM, J. Stanton <js_exi at gnolls.org> wrote:
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> >>
>>> "I ask myself if I were a moral monster but smarter than Donald Trump
>>> (as almost everybody is)"
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>> * > The mental gymnastics here are hilarious. Somehow a dumb person
>> managed to: 1. Turn $1 million into a $multi-billion fortune.*
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>
> Yes Trump claims he only got a  $1 million loan from his father and that
> was it, but lying for Trump is like breathing. In reality Trump inherited
>  at least 40 million dollars from his daddy in 1974. Since 1974 the S&P 500
> has gone up 74 fold, if he had put his inheritance into a simple S&P index
> fund and reinvested the dividends and then just sat on his hands and did
> nothing today it would be worth 3.4 billion. When Trump announced his
> presidency in 2015 almost no independent analyst thinks he was worth
> anywhere near 3.4 billion, although today I wouldn’t be surprised if he was
> worth 10 or 20 times that.
> Being president can be very profitable.
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>> > i
>> n contrast, nearly 1/3 of lottery jackpot winners go bankrupt,
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> Trump invested heavily in Trump Castle in Atlantic City; about a year
> after it opened Trump Castle filed for bankruptcy. And Trump didn't just
> invest in real estate, Trump invested in Eastern Air Lines, soon after that
> Eastern Air Lines went bankrupt. Trump invested in the United States
> Football League, but people would much rather watch the NFL; so when he
> couldn't beat them in the free market Trump went to the courts and claimed
> the NFL was a monopoly. Trump won his lawsuit and got triple damages too;
> the jury awarded him one dollar, so with triple damages his grand total was
> three dollars. Very soon after that the United States Football League went
> bankrupt.
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>
>> > 
>> and none are in the Forbes 400.)
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> Trump wouldn't be on the Forbes 400 either is he had told the truth, but
> truth is a foreign concept to Trump:
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> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/20/the-forbes-400-and-how-trumps-shameless-self-promotion-helped-make-him-president/?utm_term=.01b12fa941e8
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>> > 
>> *Next, become a reality TV star.*
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>
> Honey Boo Boo
>  was also a 
> reality TV star
>  and I have no doubt would make a better president. 
>
> *> Along the way, marry and have children *
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> His 3 oldest children are worthless creeps, I make no comment about his
> youngest two.
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>
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>> *Get elected President despite [...]*
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> Get elected president despite not receiving a majority of the vote of the
> American people nor even a plurality.
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> > 
>> 3. Maintain an approval rating in excess of Obama's
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> Bullshit.
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>> 4. Achieve 2.9% GDP growth
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> Obama achieved 2.9% GDP growth too and he inherited the worse economic
> disaster since 1929. Jimmy Carter was not reelected because people felt the
> economy was a disaster, but he actually got 3.3% GDP growth. And by the
> way, Bill Clinton achieved 3.9%.
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>> > 
>> *- and rising*
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> How the hell do you know what the future will bring?
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>> - via renegotiating trade agreements disadvantageous to the USA
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> Disadvantageous to Trump personally and his rich buddies, but I prefer the
> free market, at one time among other things being Extropian meant being in
> favor of free markets because it is clearly the most logical economic
> policy to have and Extropians considered logic a virtue, but those days are
> sadly gone hence this list was overwhelmingly in favor of Trump in 2016,
> perhaps a bit less now but I’m not sure.
>
> Believe it or not I even remember when extropians thought a
> balanced budget was important, but now its only important if a democrat
> is president.   
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>  *> **despite repeated taunts like "What magic wand do you have? Those
> jobs aren't coming back" from previous Presidents.*
> Do you really think coal mining jobs are coming back?
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>
> 5. End the Korean War
>
>
> What on earth are you talking about?! Trump hasn't ended anything yet. If
> somebody as smart as Obama or Bill Clinton were going to talk with the
> leader of North Korea I would be filled with optimism, but with somebody as
> brain dead dumb as Trump I am filled with dread. I know Kim Jung-un will
> outsmart him, I know it will be bad I just don't know how bad. It could be
> as disaster. I don't see how anybody who watched Trump's incorrect ravings
> on Fox And Friends a few days ago and still be hopeful about the future. I
> admit it, I'm scared.
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>> > 
>> *I'm sure John Clark knows *much* more about what caused North Korea's
>> primary test site to collapse than the entire military intelligence complex*
>
>
> No I sure the CIA knows far far more details about the collapse than I do.
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>> and the President
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> But I'm also sure I know more about it than the president.Yes all the
> details about it would be in The President's Daily Briefing Book but unlike
> every other president its well known that Trump won't read it and prefers
> to learn about the state of the world from the boob tube, more specifically
> from Fox And Friends and Sean Hannity's show on the American equivalent of
>  Pravda.
>
> *> **Anyone who thinks President Trump is stupid*
>> * *[...]**
>>
>
> Anyone like Trump's Secretary Of State who called him a "fucking moron"?
> Like Trump's National Security Adviser who think he's a "idiot" and a
> "moron with the intelligence of a “kindergartener”? Like Trump's Chief of
> Staff who also thinks he's a "idiot"? Remember these are Trumps own people
> that he picked himself that see more of him than anyone and know him best.
>
> > 
>> *the inevitable consequence of the "Trump is stupid" argument is that he
>> was elected because of stupid people*
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>
> Yep, that is an entirely logical argument and I agree with you entirely.
>
>
>> * > Personally, I think that redirecting NASA to ACTUALLY EXPLORE SPACE
>> and GO TO MARS is far more of interest to this mailing list, which is
>> still theoretically Extropian.*
>
>
> Trump is the most anti-science president in the history of the country. A
> year and a half into his presidency and Trump still hasn't nominated
> anybody to fill the position of National Science Adviser. Trump wanted to
> reduce the National Institutes of Health by 22% and reduce the The National
> Science Foundation by 30%. and a 16% cut in the National Oceanic and
> Atmospheric Administration they're the people who tell you if you're about
> to be hit by a hurricane or a tornado. Trump wants to cancel the WFIRTS
> space telescope and just a few days ago he did cancel the polar lunar rover
> that was going to look for underwater water and hydrogen on the moon which
> you're really going to need if you're serious about space exploration.
> Obama chose Steven Chu to be Energy Secretary, Chu is a former Nobel Prize
> winner in physics. Trump choose Rick Perry to be  Energy Secretary. Perry
> is the former hillbilly governor of Texas who wants to cut energy R&D by
> 15% and kill the Advanced Research Agency entirely. Vaccines have saved the
> lives of hundreds of millions of people but in the face of all
> 
> scientific evidence to the contrary Trump insists that there are “many
> cases” of children who became autistic after receiving vaccinations.
>
> Finally as a Trump fan I really want to ask you something, when Trump was
> campaigning and said Mexico was going to pay for that idiotic wall did you
> actually believe him? If your IQ was greater than your body temperature in
> degrees centigrade you couldn’t have, but that immediately raises another
> question. Why don’t you get mad when somebody lies to you?
>
>  John K Clark
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