[ExI] Cold fusion

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Tue Jun 11 16:38:48 UTC 2019




From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of Dan TheBookMan
Subject: Re: [ExI] Cold fusion


>…Yeah, it seems like a boiler plate sentence too.








We know the term Black Swan event, something that is so terrible there is little point in even pondering the consequences.  An example: a meteor strikes earth, of sufficient size to kick up dust and debris causing mass extinctions and 99% of humanity to suffer a horrifying painful mass death.


Cold fusion is the opposite of a black swan event: if that ever worked out, it would solve so many of humanity’s most fundamental problems so cheaply and easily, there is little we could not accomplish.  It would be the new dawn of humanity.


I often get the feeling we allow the unlimited marvelous consequences of cold fusion to influence our research, a kind of version of buying a hundred trillion-dollar lottery ticket when the odds of winning are a ten trillion to one.  The argument could be made that such a ticket is a good deal perhaps.


What term could we use for the opposite of a black swan event?












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On Jun 11, 2019, at 9:09 AM, William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com <mailto:foozler83 at gmail.com> > wrote:

In other words  "please keep our grants going"


bill w


On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:50 AM Dan TheBookMan <danust2012 at gmail.com <mailto:danust2012 at gmail.com> > wrote:

While I’m skeptical of the original cold fusion claim, the Nature piece also had:


“Nonetheless, a by-product of our investigations has been to provide new insights into highly hydrided metals and low-energy nuclear reactions, and we contend that there remains much interesting science to be done in this underexplored parameter space.” 




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On Jun 11, 2019, at 4:59 AM, John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com <mailto:johnkclark at gmail.com> > wrote:

Bizarrely Google just announce in Nature the results of a secret 4 year $10,000,000 experimental investigation of cold fusion. Their bottom line conclusion:

"We have yet to yield any evidence of such an effect".


Revisiting the cold case of cold fusion <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1256-6> 


John K Clark


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