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William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 22 13:50:38 UTC 2020

it is one of those things that people without that instinct would
really rather not know.


*This is the very reason I keep preaching about the word 'instinct'.
Nominal fallacy, for one.  OK - if you have the instinct you do it; if you
don't, you don't.  Can't get any more circular than that.  So, sorry, you
can't use instinct as an explanation.   bill w*

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:25 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> > On Behalf Of Keith Henson via extropy-chat
> Subject: [ExI] (no subject)
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 12:40 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> snip
> >> Keith talks about evolutionary psychology...the puzzling instructions of
> our own feelings, somehow genetically encoded by evolution.
> >...From capture-bonding, the easy to understand, nearly universal evolved
> human psychological trait.
> >...Being captured by neighboring tribes ...fraternity bonding by hazing,
> and sex practices such as sadism/masochism or bondage/discipline."
> >...Worse, than Spike's confused dogs.
> Keith
> _______________________________________________
> People who don't have those instincts find it so puzzling why some women
> stay with abusive partners (I know he's bad to me, she wailed, but I looove
> him...)
> When I looked into EP it sure makes a lotta sense, and explains why efforts
> to educate the victims out of those situations so often fail.  Unless the
> training somehow understands the genetic basis of the behavior, it is
> destined to fail in a way analogous to local owners of malamute.  That
> pooch
> is so forlorn and confused, doesn't understand what he is good for, until
> you put a harness on him.  Then... he will yank your damn arm out of its
> socket, and keep pulling, even after his human has fallen and has been
> dragged for some distance, shouting "Rover, stop you stupid bastaaarrrrd!"
> Side note: trying to get a malamute to stop pulling at the leash is
> pointless.  Far better to just get a good heavy bicycle and let him pull.
> You have never seen a happier dog than a malamute being allowed to do what
> his silly pea-brain tells him his ancestors have been doing for hundreds of
> generations and what he is for.
> OK, well... getting a malamute to stop pulling is difficult.  He loves to
> pull.  He feels that is what he is for.  Training away self-destructive
> feelings is also hard in modern humans who have the instinct to stay with
> abusive mates.  They get too beat up.  So... we kinda deal with it by
> having
> simulated recreational cruelty I suppose.  Modern porno shops have all
> those
> mysterious things under the counter that one would hesitate to even have
> explained, not so much out of embarrassment (I am immune to that emotion)
> but that it is one of those things that people without that instinct would
> really rather not know.
> spike
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