[ExI] libertarian city - from Quora

Adrian Tymes atymes at gmail.com
Thu Aug 12 00:04:19 UTC 2021

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 4:34 PM Anton Sherwood via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> In a world that has had time to learn how to make statelessness work, I
> would not expect any cluster of buildings to exist without having
> negotiated easements and the like.  Adapting a preexisting city to new
> statelessness will have inevitable challenges!  Somebody must have
> written on possible solutions ..

I'm not sure there are practical solutions, for two reasons:

1) There are substantial benefits to clustering buildings - see
"urbanization".  These known, proven, and thoroughly documented solutions
are put up against the hypothetical benefits of declustering buildings -
and even they were true, the latter pale in comparison.

2) Declustering involves moving the people in the removed buildings.  Said
people believe their current buildings are their homes - so even if you are
demonstrably building new homes for them, you are removing most people from
their current homes, which most people strongly object to on principle.
(Also: who decides which buildings - and thus, which people - get to stay?)

> On 2021-8-11 14:55, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat wrote:
> > Police: if you have opted not to subscribe to the protection of the law,
> > people are free to impose force upon you, and will do so (if they think
> > the police really won't protect you) regardless of your alleged rights.
> > It doesn't matter how many guns you have.
> Your other three examples have obvious externality problems, but where's
> the externality in this one?

This one is not so much externality, but rather just pointing out that the
choices are to submit to "force" (of the police) or to submit to "force"
(of ill-doers), and that there is no choice where one does not face the
potential of having to submit to external force.  Police-style force is, on
average, less intense (despite the extremes) and easier to deflect (police
are far more often willing to stand down and talk than ill-doers who have
already committed to using force).

Many people falsely believe that having a bunch of guns around will stave
off ill-doers.  History has shown, time and again, that this is not the
case.  The fantasized-about situations fail to account for practical
reality - most famously:
* malfunctioning friend-or-foe detection, resulting in shooting a friend or
family member,
* insufficient storage security, such that an innocent incompetent (such as
an untrained kid) obtains and does harm with one of the firearms,
* insufficient storage security, such that a competent malicious person who
knows the firearms are there obtains and does harm with one of the
firearms, or
* the mere presence of a firearm (holstered or brandished) resulted in
unnecessary escalation resulting in harm (especially lethal).
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