[ExI] libertarian city - from Quora

[Adrian Tymes]

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 4:34 PM Anton Sherwood via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> In a world that has had time to learn how to make statelessness work, I
> would not expect any cluster of buildings to exist without having
> negotiated easements and the like.  Adapting a preexisting city to new
> statelessness will have inevitable challenges!  Somebody must have
> written on possible solutions ..
>

I'm not sure there are practical solutions, for two reasons:

1) There are substantial benefits to clustering buildings - see
"urbanization".  These known, proven, and thoroughly documented solutions
are put up against the hypothetical benefits of declustering buildings -
and even they were true, the latter pale in comparison.

2) Declustering involves moving the people in the removed buildings.  Said
people believe their current buildings are their homes - so even if you are
demonstrably building new homes for them, you are removing most people from
their current homes, which most people strongly object to on principle.
(Also: who decides which buildings - and thus, which people - get to stay?)


> On 2021-8-11 14:55, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat wrote:
> > Police: if you have opted not to subscribe to the protection of the law,
> > people are free to impose force upon you, and will do so (if they think
> > the police really won't protect you) regardless of your alleged rights.
> > It doesn't matter how many guns you have.
>
> Your other three examples have obvious externality problems, but where's
> the externality in this one?
>

This one is not so much externality, but rather just pointing out that the
choices are to submit to "force" (of the police) or to submit to "force"
(of ill-doers), and that there is no choice where one does not face the
potential of having to submit to external force.  Police-style force is, on
average, less intense (despite the extremes) and easier to deflect (police
are far more often willing to stand down and talk than ill-doers who have
already committed to using force).

Many people falsely believe that having a bunch of guns around will stave
off ill-doers.  History has shown, time and again, that this is not the
case.  The fantasized-about situations fail to account for practical
reality - most famously:
* malfunctioning friend-or-foe detection, resulting in shooting a friend or
family member,
* insufficient storage security, such that an innocent incompetent (such as
an untrained kid) obtains and does harm with one of the firearms,
* insufficient storage security, such that a competent malicious person who
knows the firearms are there obtains and does harm with one of the
firearms, or
* the mere presence of a firearm (holstered or brandished) resulted in
unnecessary escalation resulting in harm (especially lethal).
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