[ExI] Arrogance

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 31 19:23:46 UTC 2021

Since we are way down the list of free places, I wonder just what the data
show about people trying to emigrate to the free countries.  Are we way up
the list of popular places because we have so many welfare programs? (we
are 1st as Google just told me) And citizenship for those born here (sneak
across the border, have a baby, get permanent rights for your kid).  Plenty
of places are freer than we are, so I think it's the money they can get
here.  FYI, the top five destinations:
USA, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Russia, UK

Clearly, those going to Saudi ARabia and Russia are not looking for more
freedoms than they can find here or in Europe.   bill w

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 1:55 PM Max More via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Dave, I agree.
> Bill (and, please, it's "Max"), the list is less overwhelming if you take
> a quick high-level look. That would involve first deciding what exactly it
> is (or exactly enough) you're looking for in ratings of freedom. Some of
> those lists are based on definitions of freedom that I find useless and
> even backward while others match well with what I consider to be freedom --
> essentially recognition and protection of negative rights. That lets you
> focus in on maybe two or three rankings at most so you can then drill down
> into their metrics.
> If you really want to figure out whether freedom is increasing or
> decreasing, as Dave said, you have to have metrics and you have to do some
> work. We are not equipped with a reliable freedom-sense!
> --Max
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> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> on behalf
> of Dave Sill via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 31, 2021 10:52 AM
> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Cc:* Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] Arrogance
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 1:02 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> There is little anyone can do about any of the variables (such as
> government spending or judicial integrity) and so I conclude:
> Don't worry about it. Keep on truckin'.
> There's little that can be done, but without metrics there's even less. At
> least such lists give people shopping for a place to live some useful
> information.
> Someone has to worry about these things or the situation will never
> improve.
> -Dave
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