[ExI] data coming

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 07:26, spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> An interesting discussion took place in this forum a few months ago when
> someone questioned my assertion that the US government does not have the
> authority to compel anyone to take a vaccine.  Turns out this is true: the
> US constitution Amendment 4 insures that no one may be compelled to turn
> over their medical records, and it isn’t much of a surprise that vaccines
> may not be mandated.
>
>
>
> However… the Occupational Safety and Health bureaucracy can require
> companies to require its employees to produce proof of vaccination.
>
>
>
> The company is not required to verify the proof is genuine, only that the
> employee has proof of vaccination.
>
>
>
> In the USA, the supply of the covid vaccine is not a problem: anyone can
> get a vax at any location offering them, at no cost, even if the person has
> no health insurance.  The process requires no photo ID (they didn’t ask for
> mine.)  This last part is important, for they cannot demand photo ID.  If a
> teenage junky shows up claiming to be John Smith, birthdate 2-28-50, she
> gets the vaccination and a vaccination proof card like this one:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> OK then, we know that in the USA if anyone needs proof of vaccination,
> they can hire a teenage junky to get that, and as far as I can tell there
> would be no practical repercussions for doing that.  These are not photo ID
> and they are not currency, so even if it violates the spirit of the
> requirement, there are no laws broken there.  The state legislatures have
> not passed any laws with regard to requiring that proof of vaccine must be
> proof that the person whose name is on the proof of vaccine card is the
> person who took the vaccine.
>
>
>
> I learned yesterday that a vaccine card like this one, like the one I
> received, can be used to enter the vaccine into one’s medical record.
>
>
>
> With all that, if we hear anyone say they suffered adverse health effects
> from the vaccine they were forced to take in order to keep their job, I
> would say to the contrary, no one is forced to take the vaccine in order to
> keep their job.  They are only required to have proof of having taken the
> vaccine, which is not required to be genuine, and cannot be, for companies
> are not required to verify (and cannot verify in any case) that the card is
> genuine.
>
>
>
> OK.  Once I let that sink in, I have a conjecture I will share in my next
> post, some interesting data I think will come out of all this.
>
>
>
> Commentary welcome.
>
No-one expects 100% compliance no matter what combination of enticements
and sanctions is used. The aim is to get as high a proportion of the
population as possible vaccinated.

> --
Stathis Papaioannou
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20211005/ef0c8534/attachment-0001.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image003.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 34914 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20211005/ef0c8534/attachment-0001.jpg>