[ExI] list intimidation

[SR Ballard]

Social tokens aren't "fake". The content of them changes from culture to
culture, but they exist in all cultures -- they're simply pro-social
signals we send and receive from others (or don't). They exist in all
cultures because they need to exist. People who score high on Haidt's
Libertarian dimension are not as concerned with them as others because
their need for freedom often outweighs their desire to be a part of a
larger social group. But being "in" these large groups is very meaningfully
adaptive -- you gain access to a lot of resources -- emotional, labor,
sometimes even monetary. You can see these tokens as a weak form of solving
the free-rider problem, which is one of the main issues that every social
group and society as a whole must tackle.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 10:00 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> .  For instance, if I annoy the hell outta someone and they flame my ass,
> then I recognize it and don’t read it, then I can go on as if nothing was
> ever said.  That allows me to appear to be a super forgiving person, which
> is a good thing, even if it is really fake.  spike
>
> Cultures evolve, but nowhere does it say that progress is involved.  That
> means that the current culture is just one of many, and it will pass away
> in time (usually with the help of teenagers, who will typically despise the
> culture they grew up in).  So in a sense all cultural things, like social
> tokens, are fake.  And we know that!
>
> (I have to doubt that Spike's forgiveness is not real.  Spike?  Holding
> grudges?  Heaven forbid1)
>
> I do not think it is fair to say that one culture has it right and another
> doesn't.  We inherited the culture we have, good or bad.  We like or
> dislike one or another culture, but I doubt that people think of it as
> God-given and the very best one.  Narrow people if they do.  (Yeah we do
> have some of those.)
>
> Consider:  would you say such a thing as this?  "You have a real brat
> there.  Why don't you do something with him?  If he were mine I'd kick his
> ass into next week."  You will say nothing like this.  Are you a
> hypocrite?  Are you a fake?
>
> bill w
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 5:48 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023, spike jones via extropy-chat wrote:
>>
>> > Regarding horrible imitations of the real thing… OK but… I loooove fake
>> Italian food.  I really do, the Americanized half-hearted
>> > attempt at Italian recipes are among my favorites, and it isn’t just
>> Italy (but Italy is one of the best examples (oh that country
>> >
>>
>> Not to speak of General Tsos chicken! ;) One of my favourite chicken
>> recipes which you can find in most american chinese restaurants, and it
>> is an american invention inspired by chinese cooking (if memory serves).
>>
>> But adding to that, when I lived in the US, what I missed most from
>> europe was the food. But, the US had much, much better steak and mexican
>> food (not taco bell) so I was focusing on that instead.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Daniel
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