[ExI] all we are is just llms

[Giovanni Santostasi]

Brent,
To you the [image: red_border.png] is mysterious but "RED" is not. They are
both mysterious. I hear the word RED and I react to it, I have associations
in my mind relative to this word, different objects I consider colored in
red, memories, experiences, and emotions.
Why *[image: red_border.png] *is more mysterious than "RED"?
The brain created this phenomenon of consciousness and I get it it is
weird, it is amazing that we are aware of ourselves. But your quest of
finding the secret of consciousness by being fixated on  *[image:
red_border.png] *is really misplaced. *[image: red_border.png] *is not less
complicated, less indirect, less codelike than "RED". It is not even more
subjective given you don't know what "RED" means to me less than what [image:
red_border.png] means to me. Also what *[image: red_border.png]* means to
me is basically almost irrelevant to understand what consciousness is.

Giovanni


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:51 PM Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> *One uses an abstract code for red, which isn't red, like this one:
> "RED"  Since it isn't red, you need a dictionary to know what it is a code
> for.*
> *The other one uses your knowledge of  [image: red_border.png], which is
> redness, not a code for redness.  The quality of your knowledge of
>  [image: red_border.png]  is your definition of "*RED*"*
>
> BRENT THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CODE IS MADE OF ! IT IS
> STILL SPIKING NEURONS WHEN YOU SAY "RED" AND WHEN YOU PERCEIVE [image:
> red_border.png]. THEY ARE BOTH MADE OF THE SAME STUFF, SPIKING ELECTRICAL
> PULSES !
> Yes, I'm screaming.
> *[image: red_border.png] *IS A CODE FOR REDNESS. IT IS. THE BRAIN ONLY
> USES SPIKES OF ELECTRICAL ACTIVITY TO UNDERSTAND THE WORLD.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 9:44 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 24/04/2023 05:16, Gordon Swobe wrote:
>> > These are impressive feats in software engineering, interesting and
>> > amazing to be sure, but it's just code.
>>
>>
>> ... As opposed to what?? What on earth could a system - any system - use
>> except 'just code'?
>>
>> All data processing systems use 'just code', including our brains (which
>> use a type of morse code, which you already know, unless you haven't
>> been listening, or just disagree with me on this).
>>
>> Er, do you? You haven't even mentioned this, as far as I can remember,
>> in any of your posts. But it's an important - essential, even - point.
>> The brain uses these spike trains - a kind of morse code - as it's
>> internal language. That's its 'code'.
>>
>> Perhaps we'd better establish if you disagree with this, because you're
>> saying some very strange things now. I know you want to concentrate on
>> higher-level things, especially human language, but if we can't agree on
>> what lies under those levels, we're not really communicating at all.
>>
>> Do you agree that the brain uses spike-trains - a form of binary code -
>> as its internal language? Or do you have an alternative hypothesis?
>>
>> Ben
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