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[William Flynn Wallace]

 I think the simplest explanation is that ultimately, there are no morals.
They are created when several self-conscious, human beings meet reality.

This is about as vague as you can get.  Reality is that we cannot live
alone effectively.  So when someone in a group harms another, the whole
group suffers - loss of warrior; loss of berry picker; loss of spear
chunker, and so on. What hurts an individual hurts the group.  Matthew
Ridley has a whole book on the subject of how morality forms.    All of his
books are excellent, like The Rational Optimist.    bill w

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 9:43 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Hello Brent,
>
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2023, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:25 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >       On Thu, 15 Jun 2023, Gadersd via extropy-chat wrote:
> >       >> ask about why we want to live a long time.
> >       >
> >       > That seems an odd thing to have to explain. Life is good, no?
> >
> >       I always find these immortality discussions very strange. For me,
> it is
> >       not about immortality per se, but about choice. Being able to
> decide
> >       yourself when you had enough.
> >
> > Being about choice is a good point.  But if that is the only point, are
> you saying that morality is relative, or that there is no
> > morality, right or wrong, good or bad... choice?
>
> Good question! On the surface, I am all about freedom and free informed
> consent and very libertarian.
>
> On a deeper level, which I find more interesting, I think the simplest
> explanation that ultimately, there are no morals. They are created when
> several self-conscious, human beings meet reality.
>
> I do not have a hard position on this, so I welcome a vigorous debate
> here to inspire me! =)
>
> > Seems to me choosing to end things is necessarily a
> bad/wrong/mistaken... choice.
>
> Why? It is your life, and given the circumstances, why should you not be
> allowed to choose to end it if you so want and are of a sound and
> healthy mind?
>
> > Seems to me, survival is always, necessarily, better than not
> surviving.  That is why evolution must progress in all sufficiently
> > complex worlds?
>
> I can imagine many situations where I would probably choose to end my
> life. So I do not think, for me, that survival trumps everything,
> everytime.
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
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