[ExI] GPT-4 on the Incommunicability of Qulia

[Dave S]

On Saturday, March 25th, 2023 at 9:51 AM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 7:42 AM Dave S via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Saturday, March 25th, 2023 at 9:18 AM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> A "code" for redness, is something that is not redness, representing redness. Physical greenness, physical +5 volts, a physical pit on a paper, or an abstract world like 'red' can code for redness.
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>> What does "physical green can code for redness" mean?
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> You are using quality blind terminology here.

Sorry, I was quoting you and should have said what does "physical greenness...can code for redness" mean?

> Do you mind if we change our definitions to be adequate to talk about this stuff, as the 45 supporters of [RQT](https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/6-Representational-Qualia) do?
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> Perception of things is done at a distance via chains of causal intrinsic properties. There are at least the following two sets of intrinsic properties which must be considered if one is not qualia blind:
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> - “red” The intrinsic physical property of objects that are the target of our observation, the initial cause of the perception process (i.e. when the strawberry reflects 650 nm (red) light). A label for Anything that reflects or emits ‘red’ light.
> - “redNESS” The different intrinsic physical property of our knowledge of red things, the final result of our perception of red.

Right, so "red" is the physical property and "redness" is how an individual perceives it.

So what is "physical greenness"?

-Dave
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